infinity vs power gem vs pheonix

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
[B]It means universe. But destroying the universe doesn't mean all abstracts are destroyed. Death and Oblivion would still exist. She may not gain more souls but those souls that have died are still under her domain. Oblivion is the void, he isn't dying either.

So what if it can recreate? That's it's role. It sparks and brings life back. But as the universe expands, time and space also expands, chaos and order comes into being. It sparks what's been there, it's not the TOAA/Creator y'know? It merely serves as a spark the reignites the universe after it's destruction. It's not the power of everything in the universe. In fact, the destruction of the universe happens when humanity reaches it's peak potential, able to replace the abstracts. That's all planned by the abstracts because it's the natural order. The Celestials carry out that mandate by planting the seeds of evolution into man, the ability to reach abstract level when the universe comes to an end. X-Men Forever tries to tie everything and explain Galan becoming Galactus. The Phoenix Force is part of the natural order and seems to end the universe when in time as part of the natural order. It has the power to do it but so does Eternity, Galactus, Infinity, and many others. Difference is, this seems to be Phoenix' job, and not the others that's all. She's not more powerful than them.

It's more than just a universal resurrection force, it's also the sum total of all psionic energy past/present/future in the MULTIVERSE. It represents all life yet unborn. It's so far above abstracts like Infinity (who only represents physical space) it's not even funny.

?Who knows what? Apparently Death does. That's why you quoted him/her saying that Galactus would end the natural cycle of destruction and rebirth if he destroyed the Phoenix. Willing or not, Phoenix would be killed by Galactus permanently. [

After seeing the exact scans from Excalibur #25 from GS, I'm going to go ahead and disagree. The PF would not have been destroyed. Rachel on the other hand is a different story.

And like I keep repeating like a broken record, where is the "universal destruction using nothing but your own power" feat from anyone, anywhere aside from the PF?

@GalacticStorm

Dude if those Adam Warlock and FF scans are legit, this discussion is over. WOW!

Originally posted by Mindset
Mr Master isn't here, there's still time to save it.

At the end of the day Mindset you are an individual, you have your own mind and you can read and comprehend.

You do not need Mr Master to come in here and tell you what to think.

I am not posting scans and then making assumptions and creating theories about vague artistic depictions or statements.

What i am doing is posting scans and stating literally what is explicitly stated to be the case in said scans. No supposition involved.

Reed says the Phoenix Force is the energies of creation, the Big Bang.

Death, the Watcher and Roma all confirm that reality would be a void without the Phoenix Force.

Kubik states that the stars of reality are all powered by the Phoenix Forces energies.

Stars being the biggest concentration of the Big Bangs power in reality.

The Phoenix Force itself states that it is the "mother of the stars" and the "sum and substance" of all that lives.

You have a genius level character and a variety of cosmic, omniscient characters and therefore reputable sources all stating the same thing, all painting the same picture.

The Phoenix Force is the energies of creation, the very Big Bang that reality derived from. It might not have created reality, it might have been created itself, however it is those very energies and it has them at its command.

nonefox

Originally posted by iceman24567
Going with the Phoenix force

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Originally posted by Colossus-Big C a
i think im going with the pheonix force after reading those scans

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All people have to do is read and they'll see.

I dont make this stuff up. 😂

I can provide scan after scan stating the Force is the Big Bang, the power source behind reality.

People just have a hard time believing it because the Force interacts so much on a human level via hosts that it appears less cosmic.

People also believe an appearance of the firebird equates to the full Phoenix Force when its not. It merely means the Forces sentience is in operation as opposed to a host tapping into the Forces power.

The Firebird as stated on panel is an avatar of the Force, a representation. It is NOT the full force and yet others in an attempt to demean the Force would try and make out otherwise:

The firebird is an avatar:

What is this avatar of the Phoenix Force?

A flame from the Big Bang 🙂

What does that say about the Phoenix Force itself?

It IS the Big Bang 🙂

Originally posted by illadelph12
nonefox

Yo! 😛

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
At the end of the day Mindset you are an individual, you have your own mind and you can read and comprehend.

You do not need Mr Master to come in here and tell you what to think.

I am [B]not posting scans and then making assumptions and creating theories about vague artistic depictions or statements.

What i am doing is posting scans and stating literally what is explicitly stated to be the case in said scans. No supposition involved.

Reed says the Phoenix Force is the energies of creation, the Big Bang.

Death, the Watcher and Roma all confirm that reality would be a void without the Phoenix Force.

Kubik states that the stars of reality are all powered by the Phoenix Forces energies.

Stars being the biggest concentration of the Big Bangs power in reality.

The Phoenix Force itself states that it is the "mother of the stars" and the "sum and substance" of all that lives.

You have a genius level character and a variety of cosmic, omniscient characters and therefore reputable sources all stating the same thing, all painting the same picture.

The Phoenix Force is the energies of creation, the very Big Bang that reality derived from. It might not have created reality, it might have been created itself, however it is those very energies and it has them at its command. [/B]

Originally posted by zopzop

@GalacticStorm

Dude if those Adam Warlock and FF scans are legit, this discussion is over. WOW!

Those scans are completely legit, they are from She Hulk volume 3 and i believe that was issue 8. They are the most recent references to the nature of the infinity gems. An on panel statement from a reputable character who wields the gems and once had omniscience through the gems thereby being the perfect character to know their nature. Plus an acknowledgement of this statement within the official handbooks.

This debate is very much over 😛

As for WWK harping on about Phoenix not destroying a universe on panel, i showed this scan of Jean not just destroying a universe on panel, but the whole Here Comes Tomorrow timeline and casually at that-

WWK's argument is weak.

Originally posted by Galan007
I thought Midset was saying that if Mr M posted, there would be no saving this thread from the pages long debate between you and he that followed..?

Originally posted by Galan007
I thought Midset was saying that if Mr M posted, there would be no saving this thread from the pages long debate between you and he that followed..?

Was he?

Misinterpretation. Damn 😂

Sorry Mindset 🙁

There'll be no long debate because i dont need to. The scans say the points ive made explicitly. I have not assumed anything, only relayed exactly whats stated in them. Statements from various reputable characters, found in various different titles, released at different times over a decade.

Nothing can beat that.

He can come in here waffling about how the firebird avatar or distracted hosts got beat down, makes no difference to the Forces nature and its top feats.

He can come in here talking about how Sise Neg and Genis have on panel started creation events. Makes no difference to what the Phoenix Force is stated and depicted to be on panel, the very energies of the Big Bang. She may not be the creator of reality, but shes the living creation energies from which all reality derives from.

What can he bring to the table? Nothing relevant that we havent heard before. 🙂

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Probably, this is GS though, he's rallying up his followers. 😄

I aint seen your ass for years Mr Mitchell!

The original Master back in town.

Im tired of these young upstarts 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Was he?

Misinterpretation. Damn 😂

Sorry Mindset 🙁

There'll be no long debate because i dont need to. The scans say the points ive made explicitly. I have not assumed anything, only relayed exactly whats stated in them. Statements from various reputable characters, found in various different titles, released at different times over a decade.

Nothing can beat that.

He can come in here waffling about how the firebird avatar or distracted hosts got beat down, makes no difference to the Forces nature and its top feats.

He can come in here talking about how Sise Neg and Genis have on panel started creation events. Makes no difference to what the Phoenix Force is stated and depicted to be on panel, the very energies of the Big Bang. She may not be the creator of reality, but shes the living creation energies from which all reality derives from.

What can he bring to the table? Nothing relevant that we havent heard before. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I aint seen your ass for years Mr Mitchell!

The original Master back in town.

Im tired of these young upstarts 😄

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I've tried talking to you; I'm not on here much. I do a lil' on my small site and I run my company. Where have you been? You get married or something?

Ive been busy working and studying over the years. In the early stages of setting up my own company. Exciting times 🙂

Keep in touch bro. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ive been busy working and studying over the years. In the early stages of setting up my own company. Exciting times 🙂

Keep in touch bro. 😉

You're still in school? Oh and whatever happened to Demi?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
There's always that thing called the "pm"...

You're still in school? Oh and whatever happened to Demi?

I've had many breaks in university due to getting a good job and being tempted away by money for many years, but im part time now and im finishing off my studies whilst i work.

I havent heard from Demi for years 🙁

I miss him and Whirlysplat. Those were the days. I need to get back in touch with Whirly cos ive moved near to where he does.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So in other words, you've got me beat, i cant counter what you said credibly with on panel evidence, so im gonna take a swipe at you personally and exit the thread. 😮

That pretty much it? 😆

Originally posted by Nihilist
No i just think you come across a arrogant as*hole everytime you post, and everything you have posted in regards to the Pheonix was been blown apart by Mr Master countless times yet youstill spout the same crap.

It really hasnt bro. 😆

Youre just a bitter, pressed individual who i have no time for.

Log off back into insignificance. 😮

Youre interrupting grown folks talk 😮‍💨

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I've had many breaks in university due to getting a good job and being tempted away by money for many years, but im part time now and im finishing off my studies whilst i work.

I havent heard from Demi for years 🙁

I miss him and Whirlysplat. Those were the days. I need to get back in touch with Whirly cos ive moved near to where he does.

I need to finish too, I've been in forever because I changed my mind so much, now I'm busy... Demi just fell off of the map entirely.

Have you seen whirly in person? He posts on here from time to time...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It really hasnt bro. 😆

Youre just a bitter, pressed individual who i have no time for.

Log off back into insignificance. 😮

Youre interrupting grown folks talk 😮‍💨