Darth Malgus vs Sith

Originally posted by Zampanó

"Sick" of him? You have been a poster for just over a month, and your very first posts were unprovoked attacks. Because you are a newbie (or a sock adept at hiding your familiarity with the board by attacking a fringe member first) I feel the need to introduce you to one of my favorite functions of the VBCode forums: The ignore list. At the top of your screen there is a row of links beginning with "User CP." Click that. Next, click the sixth link ("Edit Ignore list"😉 and copy/paste the name of the poster into the list. Save and exit.

Hooray, you are no longer exposed to the posts that force you to make reportable posts! It is a much wiser course of action than bashing established members, which will not be tolerated. If we aren't allowed to have socks then we don't have to deal with trolls.

In regards to the charge of hypocrisy, I'd like to remind you that the TFU franchise has a myriad of detractors on this forum. The sheer futility of the Starkiller character, especially in advancing the development of the OT (specifically the utter impossibility of any lasting consequences from his actions) makes all of us a lot less willing to accommodate the wild swings in power levels between TFU and ANH.

Now that you have educated me about the existence of the Ignore list, I shall gladly have the honor of putting you in it.

I believe shrinkwrap's point is that if you don't like overpowered characters, at least have the decency to hate all of them and not just the ones that seem as or more badass than the ones you do like/make excuses for? It's an understandable perspective.

Originally posted by PencilInEyelulz
I believe shrinkwrap's point is that if you don't like overpowered characters, at least have the decency to hate all of them and not just the ones that seem as or more badass than the ones you do like/make excuses for? It's an understandable perspective.

As I said, I find your perspective perfectly understandable. There are plenty of overpowered and overhyped characters and they're not relegated to just TFU.

Its the natural power-creep most frachises go through. I wonder if in 20 years Bane disintergrating dudes will seem hilariously quiant.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Maybe i been to far but seriously, im sick of this guy and his KOTOR biased fanboyism. I mean come on, he complains that Vader and Galen are overpowered in all the TFU materials(trailers, scripted scenes, novel) but he keeps using those TOR trailers to back his arguments up?

Seriously thats Hypocrisy to its max.

Just be more civil when saying your opinion, that's all.

Whatever you say Mr internet police. Im glad to have you dictating my every move sir. Now that you have educated me about the existence of the Ignore list, I shall gladly have the honor of putting you in it.

😂 Fail.

I'm sure Zam didn't intend on coming off a tad bit patronizing, if that's how you felt. He meant well.

Originally posted by PencilInEyelulz
I believe shrinkwrap's point is that if you don't like overpowered characters, at least have the decency to hate all of them and not just the ones that seem as or more badass than the ones you do like/make excuses for? It's an understandable perspective.

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I think this is nothing more than reactionary posturing. Whenever a new era opens up, we all get hot under the collar and jump at the chance to compare new guys. Of course, as soon as someone bumps our favorite ranking (see Bandon falling by the wayside as Kas'im the Magnificent was revealed) we have to make waves. Mostly by saying that the new guy isn't as good as Mara Jade (btw, Malgus vs. Caedus?).

And but so, everyone has favorites and insulting them for having favorites wrong is just silly. You might be doing things wrong, but it is unlikely that you are doing all things wrong.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well actually I'm judging him from four duels. That seems pretty fair to me.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats all I can find. Nothing too impressiev imo.

And now you are lying on my face. You take me for a fool?

There are more reasons below which will confirm that you are not giving Malgus fair treatment. Continue to read below.

Originally posted by Nephthys
My stance is one that I've hewn over years of debating these characters. I assure you, I have more logic than bias in my reasoning.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They were in charge of capturing it? It looked to me that they were merely boarding the Republic station.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Regardless of potential, few acolytes succeed in facing the rigorous trials to become Sith Inquisitors. Only the most determined acolytes attain such an achievement, but these Sith are often the ones to watch. Due to their manipulative genius, Inquisitors are skilled at exploiting both their enemies and their allies to further their own personal agendas.

From what I can gather from your link, becoming a Sith Inquisitor is not a matter of power (regardless of potential), but one of determination (only the most determined acolytes attain such an achievement) and manipulation (Due to their manipulative genius). So thank you for the link. 👆

Who told you that Sith Inquistor status is not a matter of power?

You conveniently overlooked these bits:

1. The Inquisitor experiments with forbidden powers to not only survive in this cutthroat environment, but to excel and seize authority.

2. Though their skills are varied and many, Sith Inquisitors are most feared for their ability to channel the energy of the Force, making them a spectacle to behold on the battlefield.

3. Mastering the Dark Side

To reach the highest echelons of power, the Inquisitor needs more than Force Lightning and a razor-sharp mind. The most formidable Inquisitors dare to explore unorthodox practices by investigating the enigmas of the past and by unlocking new powers for themselves. The Force is a source of unlimited potential—a wellspring Inquisitors tap and bend to their will. Such intensity allows Sith Inquisitors to become architects of the Empire’s future… or simply the architects of their own destruction.

And also this:

4. Whether facing a traitorous fellow Sith or a crowd of Republic soldiers, the Inquisitor fights with unlimited fury to create a storm of destruction. Expertise in conducting Force energies further allows Inquisitors to draw upon the life essence of themselves and others. This energy can be channeled to bolster their powers, harm their foes, and even to reinvigorate their allies. An Inquisitor’s skills with a Lightsaber are equally impressive. Often wielding a double-bladed Lightsaber, Inquisitors use quick, guileful, and lethal maneuvers to strike their enemies down with astonishing speed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No not really. The actions of an apprentice are not those of a master. Malgus clearly outpaced him anyway.

Also, Vindican was more impressive. However, he ended up at the wrong side of the double-bladed lightsaber of Kao, who instantly activated the second blade of the lightsaber to impale him.

Malgus by this time was not displaying any main force powers. He was relying on his brute strength and dueling abilities.

Again, you claim to have more logic? You clearly don't.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Kao isn't live-action ninny!

Originally posted by Nephthys
As do I. He's quite the badass.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If you say so. I'm not really interested in Maul anyway.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Perhaps, perhaps not. All that matters is that you cannot compare the two.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Not an assumption, merely my opinion. I'm allowed to have an opinion, correct? And if you're going to bash me for making assumptions, do not assume you know my reasoning behind said 'assumptions.'

You are welcome to your opinion. Or to make a thread where we can discuss it more fully.

In comparison, Kao is also a highly skilled lightsaber duelist. And he seems to be much more adept in applications of the Force then Maul. Get the picture?

Kao > Maul

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well now that you've posted it I can see that it appears he did indeed collapse it with the Force. Nice, he might not be complete trash after all.

Originally posted by Nephthys
However, it is not enough to say that he was particularly impressive either. He was clearly waiting for Malgus, so he could easily have been building up a large amount of energy to perform the feat, similar to Bane when he collapsed the temple.

Maglus sensed the presence of a Jedi in the first place from his ship in that region when his ship was flying by. He decided to engage him. The Jedi and his ally were hiding in the ruins. However, the stronger one decided to face Malgus when he arrived in the ground. Malgus actually called him out. There was no sign that the Jedi was using the Force by that time.

When Malgus charged towards the Jedi, that is when he acted.

"The Jedi held his ground. At twenty meters, the Jedi raised his lightsabers aloft to either side and drew them both down with a flourish."

The gestures were made during this very act.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also,

And given that it occurs in a war-ravaged city the houses could be dilapidated or in ruin. Theres also the possibility that he exhausted himself with teh exertion, thus enabling Malgus to easily finish him. On the whole, I would not rank this on a level with Bane's grandiose feats of power.

Also, Malgus dueled with him later on with flurry of rapid strikes but the Jedi countered every move for a while. Malgus then sensed the presence of another Jedi and that is when he decided to use his force powers to kill them both.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also I find the concept of being impressed by stopping a mere 'several tons' quite laughable.

Unfortunately, he couldn’t shield the Temple around him. The walls exploded into great chunks of rubble. The archway collapsed in a shower of stone, burying Kas’im beneath tons of rock and mortar. A second later the rest of the roof caved in, drowning out the Twi’lek’s dying screams with a deafening rumble.

And this is Vader in comparison:

He raised his gloved hands to defend himself, but the battery continued until, with a crash, the apprentice ripped the energy field generator in the center of the room right out of the floor and hurled it at his former Master.

The generator exploded with greater force than he had expected, throwing him and everyone else to the floor. The transparisteel dome shattered. Debris rained everywhere. The sound of the explosion rang in his ears for an unnaturally long time afterward.

He was the first to his feet, striding across the rubble to where Darth Vader lay face-forward, gravely wounded and stripped of his armor in places. Flesh and machinery showed through the gaps. Finally, some real blood was flowing.

The apprentice stood over him with his lightsaber upraised and ready to strike. His former Master was trying to stand, feebly willing his massive bulk to move as it was supposed to. Servomotors whined and strained. When he rolled over, the apprentice froze.

Darth Vader's helmet had been ripped away by the blast. Beneath was the face of the man who had stolen and enslaved him, a pathetic, hairless thing covered in wrinkles and old scar tissue. Only the eyes showed the slightest signs of life: blue and full of pain, they stared up at him with undisguised weariness.

The Emperor appeared out of the settling smoke, glee on his face. He raised one hand as though to touch the apprentice. The apprentice felt a wave of hypnotic suggestion flow through him.

Malgus was holding the mountain of rumble with the Force and send the very heavy mass flying back in to various directions. Not to forget that he was badly injured by this time. You think that this is a joke?

You are indeed so full of shit. 🙄

If the same thing had been done by Vader, you would be praising him a lot. You are indeed full of shit and a heavily biased Vader and Bane fanboy.

This feat alone puts Malgus above Vader and Kas'im. Now if yout think that Bane is better, provide a comparable feat.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He was having trouble breathing and his face hurt. Meh, thats hardly debilitatiing.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ah, excellent. Now we can begin actually debating.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Undoubtably. I've never suggested the Jedi Zannah killed were anything but chaff.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This is exactly what I intended to get across.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Um, ok?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Then why are you even talking to me. Clearly this is wasting your genius time. you should be out curing cancer or something slick.

Originally posted by Nephthys
A feat easily replicated.

'He leapt forward and cut the first red-robed figure down before he-or she-had a chance to react, a single slash of his lightsaber bisecting the unfortunate opponent horizontally, just above the waist.

......

The assassins fell on Bane again, but instead of repelling them with the Force, he allowed his body to become a conduit, turning himself into a physical manifestation of the dark side's tumultuous power. As he spun like a whirlwind, his blade seemed to be everywhere at once: hacking, slashing, and slicing his enemies to ribbons.

All four assassins died in the attack, though one managed to land a single blow with his force pike before his throat was slit, the wound so deep it nearly severed his head. Fueled by rage and fury, Bane shrugged off the deadly electrical shock like a rancor shrugging off the bite of a venn-bug.'

Notice Bane Speed-blitz on Sith Assassin. Nice.

I will repeat your statement:

Originally posted by Nephthys
So, fodder.

Nothing in that long list was particularly impressive at all. I could ask you to show that any of the Jedi Malgus killed there was worth a damn, or even as good as the Jedi Jango killed, so I will.

Get the picture?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Being able to fight while injured doesn't suddenly elevate him to Bane's level. Bane too was able to perform telekinetic feats while dying from poison. But that doesn't mater. No matter how good Malgus is at taking a beating, it will not enable him to defeat Bane.

Malgus while being badly injured performed impressive TK based feats and killed two Jedi. Not to forget that Malgus tolerated a direct grenade explosion in his face. It could have vaporised his skull.

There is no comparison in these cases. I don't understand that why you even brought up this case? A sign of your growing desperation? And Malgus is a match for Bane in most aspects. Your assumptions are baseless.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again, fvck you right back.

'"The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool."'

Originally posted by Nephthys
Theres always some truth in fairy tales.

Remember this bullshit:

Originally posted by Nephthys
However, it is not enough to say that he was particularly impressive either. He was clearly waiting for Malgus, so he could easily have been building up a large amount of energy to perform the feat, similar to
Bane when he collapsed the temple.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh my what a brilliant argument you've completely floored me. 😐

Originally posted by Nephthys
By 'they are on teh same tier' I mean that they are around about the same level of power. Galen is the superior, but Vader is not far behind.

This is like saying that Dooku is in the same tier as Yoda. You overhype Vader a lot. Change this habit.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vader and Bane.

Also, explain to me that how would Galen defeat Bane in a good summary.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If you say so, oh master of Lore. 🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
'He drove Kas'im back with furious slashes, forcing his old mentor into a backpedaling retreat across the floor of the chamber. Kas'im flipped back and out through the door into the hall beyond, but Bane was relentless in his pursuit, leaping forward and coming within a centimeter of landing a crippling blow to the Twilek's leg.

His strike was turned aside at the last second, but he quickly followed it up with another series of powerful thrusts and stabs. The Blademaster continued to give ground, pushed inexorably back by the raging storm of Bane's onslaught. Each time he tried to change tactics or switch forms, Bane anticipated, reacted, and seized the advantage.

The outcome was inevitable. Bane was simply too strong in the Force. Only some unexpected maneuver could save Kas'im, but they had fought too many times in the past for him to surprise Bane now. Over the course of his training Bane had seen every possible sequence, series, move, and trick with the double-bladed lightsaber, and he knew how to counter and nullify them all.

The Blademaster became desperate. Leaping, spinning, ducking, rolling: he was wild and reckless in his retreat, seeking now only to escape with his life. But he didn't know the Temple like Bane did. Bane kept the routes to the outside cut off, slowly herding his opponent into a dead-end hallway.

Recognizing what was happening, Kas'im blew open the heavy door of a side room with the Force and dived inside. Bane knew there was no other exit, and he paused at the threshold of the room to savor his victory.

The Twi'lek stood in the center of the empty chamber, panting heavily, stooped ever so slightly, his head bowed. He looked up when Bane stepped through the doorway. But when his gaze met Bane's, there was no hint of defeat in his eyes.

"You should have finished me when you had the chance," he said. There was less than five meters between them, but it was just enough space for Kas'im to give the hilt of his lightsaber a quick twist. The long handle separated in the middle, and suddenly he was armed not with one double-bladed lightsaber, but with a pair of single blades, one in each hand.'

The battle was rejoined, but now it was Bane who was in full retreat. Without proper training, even his enormous command of the Force was unable to anticipate the unfamiliar sequences of the two-handed fighting style. His mind was flooded with a million options of what his opponent might attempt, and he had no experience to draw on to eliminate any of
them. Overwhelmed, he staggered back, floundering with the desperation of a drowning man.

Kao was adept at Jar Kai. More interestingly, Malgus killed with Jar Kai.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If Malgus is an idiot who can't sense something aproach him from the die then his skills are not up to Bane's. Hell, Caedus, who Bane is arguably superior to (or not arguably imo) was able to sense a Luke completly hidden from Force senses attack him from behind when he was competely focused on Ben. The ability to sense with the Force and precognition are two basic Jedi powers. That Malgus sucks with them only speaks of his weakness.

There can be moments in combat situations in which even the most capable of Jedi and Sith get so much preoccupied that they fail to anticipate surprise attacks.

By your logic, Yoda sucks in precognition too; when Sidious suddenly launched a burst him of lightning and send the Jedi Master packing with it. 🙄

When Malgus is focusing properly, his precognition gets perfect. He also demonstrated the capability of sensing the presence of a hidden Jedi in one of his encounters.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Often my friend.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He isn't, but whatever. I can see you don't understand the difference between Live-action and CGI.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I do. I'm sorry. Kao didn't really do a kewl backflip. 🙁

Originally posted by Nephthys
But.... Kao lost. 😐

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku fought 3 prominent Jedi and got away with it inconclusive who won. Dooku need not of realised he couldn't win, just that it would be close. Or that reinforcements were coming. Plus he had just fought Kenobi and Skywalker 10 seconds before.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku has shown more impressive Force feats outside of Geonosis. And lightsaber feats.

Originally posted by Nephthys

So?! The fact that Starkiller could Force Push hundreds if not thousands of them, plus the trash heaps in the room out of the temple and across the lanscape in an artificial hurricane is a mind-boggling telekinetic feat. Their combat abilities do not even come close to mattering in this case.

Do you understand anything about scale? Starkillers feat was on a scale far above anything Malgus has accomplished. Its one of the greatest telekinetic feats in Star Wars.

What matters is that how Galen fares against powerful opponents.

Originally posted by Nephthys
A basic Force Wave. Not impressed. Particularly compared to Starkillers artificial hurricane above.

And powerful Jedi can withstand very powerful barrages of force. Malgus has shown more then enough in this department.

Originally posted by Zampanó
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=508764&pagenumber=1

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I think this is nothing more than reactionary posturing. Whenever a new era opens up, we all get hot under the collar and jump at the chance to compare new guys. Of course, as soon as someone bumps our favorite ranking (see Bandon falling by the wayside as Kas'im the Magnificent was revealed) we have to make waves. Mostly by saying that the new guy isn't as good as Mara Jade (btw, Malgus vs. Caedus?).

And but so, everyone has favorites and insulting them for having favorites wrong is just silly. You might be doing things wrong, but it is unlikely that you are doing all things wrong.

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I was reminded of this when reading your post:

YouTube video

Kidding aside, I'm not sure how anything you said pertains to shrinkwrap's point. I'm also at a loss as to how the Palpatine essay is relevant; the author does not complain when other characters exhibit extraordinary displays of the Force and makes room in the essay for Palpatine to be rivaled in various aspects of life.

Once again, his point is that you can have favorite characters, but to b1tch about other "overpowered" characters simply because they threaten the status of your preferred character is the essence of petty fanboyism. This is a perfectly reasonable conclusion.

E.g., if you like Exar Kun {who is capable of particularly extreme displays of Force power} but you don't like Starkiller {who is likewise capable of extreme displays of power}, that's fine. But being 'overpowered' is a trait both share and so the only reason you would excuse one and not the other is because the character you don't like threatens the position of one you do.

Urgh, do you people not sleep? Reply upcoming.

Originally posted by PencilInEyelulz
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I was reminded of this when reading your post:

YouTube video

Kidding aside, I'm not sure how anything you said pertains to shrinkwrap's point. I'm also at a loss as to how the Palpatine essay is relevant; the author does not complain when other characters exhibit extraordinary displays of the Force and makes room in the essay for Palpatine to be rivaled in various aspects of life.

Once again, his point is that you can have favorite characters, but to b1tch about other "overpowered" characters simply because they threaten the status of your preferred character is the essence of petty fanboyism. This is a perfectly reasonable conclusion.

E.g., if you like Exar Kun {who is capable of particularly extreme displays of Force power} but you don't like Starkiller {who is likewise capable of extreme displays of power}, that's fine. But being 'overpowered' is a trait both share and so the only reason you would excuse one and not the other is because the character you don't like threatens the position of one you do.

Delirium aside, there is something to be said for withholding charges of hypocrisy. Remember when Abeloth was revealed in some spoiled versions of FotJ? There were quotes about "demolishing cities" and comparisons to Luke that had the forum look like a beehive doused with acid. Many of us decried the power creep, even after endorsing outlandish feats by Bane and Sidious.

Additionally, I believe my post included another point regarding the lack of leeway granted to TFU. That particular franchise is overpowered and placed in an era known for low level showings. The proximity of TFU to ANH means that there can be no real effects of Starkiller's actions, making him a uniquely powerful and uniquely ineffective character.

It boils down to the fact that there are reasons behind every opinion and to be "sick" of someone's position without understanding it is short sighted and immature. Legend hasn't elaborated much about his position on TFU, and to start attacking him for something that may have a fully cogent rationalization (e.g. a dislike of the use of a blunt instrument (Starkiller) in a political plot (the rebellion)).

tl;dr: don't be a douche, he's not being atypically selective compared with the rest of us, and he might even have a good reason

Zampanó
im going to be honest, that was written at one thirty and at the time I was simply incredibly proud of myself for finding both "doing things wrong" comics in the archive.

Your honesty is appreciated, but don't let it happen again, or spankings will ensue.

Zampanó
Delirium aside, there is something to be said for withholding charges of hypocrisy. Remember when Abeloth was revealed in some spoiled versions of FotJ? There were quotes about "demolishing cities" and comparisons to Luke that had the forum look like a beehive doused with acid. Many of us decried the power creep, even after endorsing outlandish feats by Bane and Sidious.

Abeloth is a titanically powerful Force-wielding Eldritch Abomination; given the upper level feats of characters like Luke, Sidious, Nihilus, et al. it is not inappropriate that she is capable of such feats.

Zampanó
Additionally, I believe my post included another point regarding the lack of leeway granted to TFU. That particular franchise is overpowered and placed in an era known for low level showings. The proximity of TFU to ANH means that there can be no real effects of Starkiller's actions, making him a uniquely powerful and uniquely ineffective character.

This is a complete misread of the situation. Starkiller's actions are effective and, in fact, change the course of galactic history. His decision to defy the Emperor and rescue the leaders of the rebel Alliance contributed tremendously to every significant plot development within the original trilogy, particularly the decisive victory at Endor.

The OT is chronologically {out-of-universe} the oldest and therefore least advanced in terms of technological potential in the mythos. People who strictly adhere to what they see being depicted with remarkably limited technology in a very difficult medium do so blindly. By this reckoning, we can infer that Imperial-era technology {with the exception of the Death Star} is inferior to Republic-era technology if we operate under such a strict mentality; since nothing we see in the films from the Imperials indicates superiority over battle droids, clone troops, and the vast spectrum of Republic-era military equipment. There is a reason why in supplement materials, the characters and technology of the original trilogy are highly touted and expounded upon in terms of their "higher end showings."

Zampanó
It boils down to the fact that there are reasons behind every opinion and to be "sick" of someone's position without understanding it is short sighted and immature. Legend hasn't elaborated much about his position on TFU, and to start attacking him for something that may have a fully cogent rationalization (e.g. a dislike of the use of a blunt instrument (Starkiller) in a political plot (the rebellion)).
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tl;dr: don't be a douche, he's not being atypically selective compared with the rest of us, and he might even have a good reason [/B]

LeGenD has made it abundantly clear that he dislikes the overpowered nature of TFU. Shrinkwrap correctly noticed that he doesn't seem to mind when KotOR-era characters are overpowered, thus the presence of a double standard. Preferring a character over another is natural and understandable; preferring an era over another is fine; but complaining ad nauseam because Character X threatens the status of Character Y {whom you like} is just silly. 😬

Originally posted by PencilInEyelulz
LeGenD has made it abundantly clear that he dislikes the overpowered nature of TFU. Shrinkwrap correctly noticed that he doesn't seem to mind when KotOR-era characters are overpowered, thus the presence of a double standard. Preferring a character over another is natural and understandable; preferring an era over another is fine; but complaining ad nauseam because Character X threatens the status of Character Y {whom you like} is just silly. 😬

TFU does not fits well with the movies. It is very difficult to make sense of depictions in Star Wars as a whole.

This is a complete misread of the situation. Starkiller's actions are effective and, in fact, change the course of galactic history. His decision to defy the Emperor and rescue the leaders of the rebel Alliance contributed tremendously to every significant plot development within the original trilogy, particularly the decisive victory at Endor.

Zampanó
I hate this. The rebellion is cheapened as a symbol of resistance to the Empire if the only way they had the courage to revolt was by hiding behind a Jedi.

The fact that they continued to revolt after Starkiller's death undermines the validity of this criticism. That said, the Alliance/New Republic's major victories were delivered by the hands of Jedi; this is nothing new.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So, fodder.

Nothing in that long list was particularly impressive at all. I could ask you to show that any of the Jedi Malgus killed there was worth a damn, or even as good as the Jedi Jango killed, so I will.

Originally posted by Nephthys

'He leapt forward and cut the first red-robed figure down before he-or she-had a chance to react, a single slash of his lightsaber bisecting the unfortunate opponent horizontally, just above the waist.

......

The assassins fell on Bane again, but instead of repelling them with the Force, he allowed his body to become a conduit, turning himself into a physical manifestation of the dark side's tumultuous power. As he spun like a whirlwind, his blade seemed to be everywhere at once: hacking, slashing, and slicing his enemies to ribbons.

All four assassins died in the attack, though one managed to land a single blow with his force pike before his throat was slit, the wound so deep it nearly severed his head. Fueled by rage and fury, Bane shrugged off the deadly electrical shock like a rancor shrugging off the bite of a venn-bug.'

If you are not willing to give fair assessment to all characters here, you will be responded in same coin.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And you call me pathetic.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You dare to compare Kao to Sidious and Yoda? I laugh at you.

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1.17.

Which object is bigger and heavier? 😐

Kao is comparable to Sidious and Yoda in the movies in terms of TK based feats.

Have a look at this video:

YouTube video

Yoda had to exert a good deal to perform this feat.

In terms of capabilities, Kao seems to be between Dooku and Yoda. Unfortunately, we have limited information on Kao.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yoda had to exert a lot to perform this feat.

[QUOTE=13601856]Originally posted by Nephthys
One of us should.

Originally posted by Nephthys
haermm

You think that in any way compares?! Two mentions of a 'flurry' and a bit of blur from a lightsaber spin? How does that in any way compare to seeming to have a dozen blades at once?

Oh, I'm getting a picture all right.

Focus on duel of Adraas. His bladework was blurry.

The word blur means: "A thing that cannot be seen or heard clearly."

Here;

Adraas loosed a flurry of strikes, his blade a humming, red blur as he spun, stabbed, slashed, and cut.

Try to comprehend this.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well:

See above for details.

Another thing is that a Jedi or Sith adept in the arts of lightsaber can perform amazing lightsaber moves.

Remember rotatory lightsaber moves of General Grievous when he faced Obi-Wan?

In addition, Vindican also performs comparable moves in the Return video. Watch it carefully.

LeGenD
Shall I remind you that all characters are overpowered in cartoons? Show me more realistic sources.

I preface this with the admission that I haven't been reading your arguments, but this isn't convincing me that I should.

You discount your opponent's sources on the basis of being overpowered cartoons and yet you cling desperately to a CGI trailer for Bioware's latest, greatest game? I'm in awe of your temerity: you clearly seem to think that there is no disparity here in what you expect and what you have to offer.

Since we can apparently reject sources at whim, I hereby reject unequivocally your use of trailers and comics {each of which are notorious for "overpowering" characters}, restricting you to the use of novels.

Nephthys wins.

/thread

You seem to have chosen not to bother answering certain points of mine. Anything you did not reply to I'm just going to take as a conscession on your part.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You posted only the account of Malgus's duel with Aryn from the available sources. And after this you gave this statement:

And now you are [B]lying on my face.[/b]

No. 🙄

The other trailers featuring him have already been posted by you during the the course of the thread. I'm not just ignoring his other fights considering I'm debating them with you. When I said that I was talking about what I could find in Decieved, not overall.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You take me for a fool?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You will be exposed in this thread. Don't worry.

Indeed, which is why everyone is agreeing with me and talking about how I'm kicking your ass. Truly my madness hath been exposed!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes. That video is just small segment of that whole event.

Any proof?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And you claim to make fair assessment, right? 🙄

Who told you that Sith Inquistor status is not a matter of power?

The link. 😐

It says 'regardless of potential'. Which means that the midichlorian count of the acolyte has no relevence on whether they succeed or fail.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You conveniently overlooked these bits:

1. The Inquisitor experiments with forbidden powers to not only survive in this cutthroat environment, but to excel and seize authority.

Irrelevent. Does this refer to powers being forbidden in the Sith Empire or the greater galaxy, in which all forms of Sith teaching is forbidden?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
2. Though their skills are varied and many, Sith Inquisitors are most feared for their ability to channel the energy of the Force, making them a spectacle to behold on the battlefield.

They can use the Force. Oh my God. 😐

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
3. [B]Mastering the Dark Side[/b]

All sith are seeking to 'Master the Dark Side'. Irrelevent.

[i]Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
To reach the highest echelons of power, the Inquisitor needs more than Force Lightning and a razor-sharp mind. The most formidable Inquisitors dare to explore unorthodox practices by investigating the enigmas of the past and by unlocking new powers for themselves. The Force is a source of unlimited potential—a wellspring Inquisitors tap and bend to their will. Such intensity allows Sith Inquisitors to become architects of the Empire’s future… or simply the architects of their own destruction.[/I]

Again, excelling as an Inquisitor is not a matter of power but one of cunning, determination and unorthodox practises.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And also this:

4. Whether facing a traitorous fellow Sith or a crowd of Republic soldiers, the Inquisitor fights with unlimited fury to create a storm of destruction. Expertise in conducting Force energies further allows Inquisitors to draw upon the life essence of themselves and others. This energy can be channeled to bolster their powers, harm their foes, and even to reinvigorate their allies. An Inquisitor’s skills with a Lightsaber are equally impressive. Often wielding a double-bladed Lightsaber, Inquisitors use quick, guileful, and lethal maneuvers to strike their enemies down with astonishing speed.

I'm not seeing anything of relevence here either. They could (not can) use Force Lightning, Force Drain and a lightsaber. Big deal. Unless you are mentioning the obvious hyperbole of their 'unlimited fury'. 🙄

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Then who trained Malgus? He himself? And then you claim to have more logic? 🙄

One can train someone but not be their superior in the Sith Arts. Lumiya was certainly not Caedus' superior and yet she taught him. Theres also teh simple fact that all Sith apprentices hide their true strength once they start to eclipse their masters. Malgus had obviously surpassed Vindican by that point.

Also theres the fact that Vindican was trained as an Inquisitor while Malgus was a Sith Warrior. Given that Malgus specialised in lightsaber combat and 'his brute strength and dueling abilities' as you pointed out, one must question how much Vindican truly taught him.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Also, Vindican was more impressive. However, he ended up at the wrong side of the double-bladed lightsaber of Kao, who instantly activated the second blade of the lightsaber to impale him.

More impressive than whom?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus by this time was not displaying any main force powers. He was relying on his brute strength and dueling abilities.

I'll bare this in mind for when you critisise Maul for not utilising excessive Force powers. Know that some focus on the physical aspects of lightsaber fighting over Force powers, like Malgus in that trailer.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Much more impressive than Gui-Gon Jinn actually. Again, you claim to have more logic? You clearly don't.

Are you again talking about how you think the lightsaber fighting in the trailer was more impressive than the Phantom Menace? Actually, I disagree. The Maul fight was much faster-paced and frenetic than that of Kao's lightsaber fighting, and displayed quicker and more skillful choreography.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vague terminologies from you. Explain badass.

Actually I was agreeing with you. As much as you may be surprised, I do not hate Kao, and find him pretty ****ing awesome.

According to teh Urban Dictonary Badass can be defned as:

someone who is so cool that their very presence is radiating with awesomeness.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You mean you concede. Maul was given as an example to support my case for Kao.

No I just find it silly that you're trying to establish Malgus' power by establishing Kao's power by establishing Mauls power who you happen to think was 'less impressive' (meaning that you personally weren't impressed by him as much) than Kao. We are way off point right now, and our posts are becoming too long and meandering.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So this means that Maul is match for the Vader.

No. In fact thats the very opposite of what I said.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And Kao has more impressive showings them him? Hmm, I am getting a hint here.

Define 'more impressive.' Maul was able to outrun point-blank explosions and out-duel a man (Anoon Bondara) whose lightsaber abilities were 'second to none' in an Order with ****ing Yoda and Mace Windu in it. He toyed with and defeated Qui-Gon Jinn, a man who could stalemate Mace Windu in training duels. Maul himself was described as 'one of the most dangerous Sith apprentices ever.'

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Assumptions should be based on feats performed by Jedi. Maul is good but not exceptional.

Incorrect. We should not make any assumptions.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In comparison, Kao is also a highly skilled lightsaber duelist. And he seems to be much more adept in applications of the Force then Maul. Get the picture?

Kao > Maul

Not as skilled as Maul.

Kao was also more adept than Malgus in applications of the Force. And he died by his blade. awepedo

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And now you add your own baseless assumption in the equation. As I have told you before, you are full of shit and try to belittle Malgus where possible.

Maglus sensed the presence of a Jedi in the first place from his ship in that region when his ship was flying by. He decided to engage him. The Jedi and his ally were hiding in the ruins. However, the stronger one decided to face Malgus when he arrived in the ground. Malgus actually called him out. There was no sign that the Jedi was using the Force by that time.

When Malgus charged towards the Jedi, that is when he acted.

"The Jedi held his ground. At twenty meters, [B]the Jedi raised his lightsabers aloft to either side and drew them both down with a flourish."

The gestures were made during this very act.[/b]

I don't see how that counters what I said. Nothing there suggests that he could not have been building his power for the deed. Simply because he made a physical gesture does not eliminate that possibility.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Houses? The buildings were never defined in the first place.

Also, Malgus dueled with him later on with flurry of rapid strikes but the Jedi countered every move for a while. Malgus then sensed the presence of another Jedi and that is when he decided to use his force powers to kill them both.

Now you're nitpicking.

So? How does that not prove the man was drained from his exertion?