Darth Malgus vs Sith

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You need to read novels featuring Malgus before you can judge him fairly.

It seems to me you didn't look at the top of the page before you replied. How stupid of you.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Another lame attempt by you to belittle them?

One was Darth Malgus (no ordinary being) and the other one was his Sith Master. While we know little about Vindican, the fact that he was a Sith Insquistor and Sith Master of Malgus indicates that he was not a weakling.

An attempt to get your head out of the Old Republic eras *******, you biased little worm.

Malgus would become no ordinary being. At the time he was but a padawan however. Theres no evidence that being his Master elevates Vindican up to AWESOME GODLIKE levels. While there is nothing indicating that he was a weakling, there is nothing indicating he was especially strong either.

Also lol, you try to prove Malgus' power by proving his Masters power by citing Malgus' power. Can you spell c-i-r-c-u-l-a-r-l-o-g-i-c?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What an illogical way to dismiss Maul's performance. The fact that he dueled two prominent Jedi simultaneously and overpowered both, is a testament to his impressive skills with the lightsaber.

Which is why I would not base his power from the live-action fight alone you cretin. We know that Qui-Gon was a prominent Jedi and skilled fighter because of material from the EU. However, going just from the movie, he was pretty shite.

Plus Obi-Wan was a padawan. Hardly 'prominent.' 🙄

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Remember that his doppleganger or resurrected form gave Vader a very hard time? It showed that how skilled he was.

Remember how the doppleganger has been argued time and again as not being provably on the same level as original?

Think before you give a response. dursom

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And Kao demonstrated greater skill and power in comparison to showings of Maul. The only difference is that Malgus even as an apprentice was far more powerful then Padawan Obi-Wan.

Haha, no. Maul was superior to Kao. Unless we use your methods of extrapolating power levels. In which case Kao's fight was SUPER-AWESOME-KAWAII!. Flashier = better after all. 🙄

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And which mere weaklings performed a comparable feat to this one:

Think before you give a response.

And yet again I ask that you give me the actual source instead of a ****ing wikipedia page. Did he collapse them with the Force? What state were the houses in? Did the Jedi require time to build up a large release of energy to do it? Details details details!

Oh please. I don't need to think to out-think you. 🙄

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The fact that Malgus managed to kill two Jedi while being badly injured indicates that he was very strong. He could use his strength in the Force to overcome the impact of his bodily injuries when he wanted to.

No it doesn't. Amplifying yourself with the Force is one of the most basic of Jedi powers. And until you actually post teh extent of his injuries, you cannot show at all how impressive it actually was.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Check Star Wars Insider 124.

No. 😐

You check it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He was in such a state that his soldiers adviced him not to engage in any battle. However, Malgus proved that he was a formidable foe even while being badly injured.

You shit words from your mouth as if you expect them to be golden eggs. Don't give me

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I don't think that performing impressive TK based feats is a crappy showing. By your logic, TK based feats of Luke and Vader are crappy too.

Did they do impressive TK feats? You certainly havn't posted them if they did. They exist right? ! mean, you didn't dream them or anything?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your attempts to belittle characters of SWTOR is a sign of double standards actually.

No, you citing Malgus killing two Jedi as impressive and then Zannah doing the same (at age 12, with no training at all, by accident) as unimpressive is a sign of double standards.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
By the way, can you quote a single impressive feat of those two Jedi or any one of them?

No, they were nameless Jedi. Here is the excerpt:

'She was still screaming when the first Jedi ran up to her. "Are you okay, little one?" he asked, reaching down.

Instinctively, she lashed out at him. She didn't know how she did it; it wasn't even a conscious thought. She only knew he had shot her friend. He had killed Laa!

"What's the mat-" His voice was cut short as she snapped his neck with the Force. The eyes of his companion went wide in horror, but before he could do anything else she had broken his neck, too.'

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So? I can say the same about many other characters.

Tell me, are you majoring in missing the point or does it just come naturally to you?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Thanks for sharing. No one is denying that Bane was powerful. He certainly was. And Lsu also seems to be skilled and prominent figure.

She would wear Kao's head for a hat. 🙂

And Malgus' as an ass-warmer.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
However, to complete this story;

Bane failed to defeat Lsu and made a smart decision by disrupting the BM of Master Worror. This made the Jedi team vulnerable and the two powerful Sith Lords took advantage. But Darth Zannah pulled off a cheap shot at Lsu to bring her down. The rest were no match for the Sith Lords and were cut down easily.

To be honest, again Bane failed to overcome another powerful opponent purely on the basis of his skills.

Try again.

Bane was able to fight her plus two other BM Jedi at once. 🙄

He was clearly her superior and would have killed her 2 seconds in if not for a) the Battle Meditation that weakens him and strengthens her and b) Farfalla saving her from being pulped against a wall. Malgus would not have Farfalla there to stop Bane from smearing him like a fly.

The same is true for Malgus. Satale kicked his ass.

Also I have to laugh at you talking shit about me 'belittling' Malgus and Vindican and then turn around and do the same to Bane. Keep it classy Legend. 👆

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Huh?

You call me pathetic, I reply in kind. 😐

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Only in your mind.

My mind makes it real. If I kick you ass in my mind, you get pwned on teh forums as well.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Well that puts some cap on the hype surrounding Galen's power.

No it doesn't. Galen is quite as powerful as he is hyped.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Still he managed to humiliate the Vader in the end and stood up to the Palpatine.

That he evetually won does not diminish the fight Vader gave him. They are definately on the same tier.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
As far as the duel is concerned, do you expect powerful opponents to go down without a fight? Vader was not a weakling and he proved it.

I expect them to defeat him with some element of ease, yes. They are simply his superior.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Zannah was strong in the Force but she was not more powerful then Bane. She gained upperhand over Bane through her sorcery.

Is sorcery not effected by Force strength now? Either way, we're not discussing Zannah vs Bane.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Kas'im managed to defend himself from the powerful force wave unleashed by Darth Bane. However, the force wave damaged the foundations of the ancient Temple and it collapsed over him.

And I never said that Kas'im was unimpressive. He was powerful and highly skilled. However, Bane failed to defeat him on fair basis.

Yet again you miss the point. I was refering to when Bane and kas'im were dueling and Bane was winning due to his greater strength in the Force.

Yes he did. In pure lightsabers Bane won. It was only after Kas'im split his double-bladed lightsaber in to dual blades did Kas'im turn the tables.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He was actually preoccupied with Satele Shan. Think before you give a response.

Do you ever get the point? I feel like I'm the only one doing any thinking in this conversation.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You will have to beg for it. 😄

Whatever.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus proved to be a badass by defeating several prominent opponents purely on the basis of his skills and power.

🙄

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Again, the age of actor is irrelevant. We are concerned with Count Dooku and not the actor who portrayed him.

No it isn't you moron. Dooku has the Force to make up for his age, Ian does not.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Count Dooku's showings on Geonosis were less impressive in comparison to those of Kao. Deal with this.

Indeed. Dooku actually defeated his two opponents and then fought evenly with Grandmaster Yoda, one of the most powerful Force users in the entire mythos for several minutes.

But Kao did a kewl backflip! awesome_xj9

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
To be honest, the massive overhyping of Garen in the Force Unleashed does not impresses me. I judge him on the basis of his performance against prominent opponents of his time. He certainly was very powerful and he defeated Vader in a fair contest. I do not understand that how you consider this an impressive showing for Vader?

Garen was invented to uplift the image of Sidious and Vader with respect to the Expanded Universe. He was used as a D**k measuring contest.

'Soon the foyer was full of the twitching, smoking bodies of the temple's hapless guardians. He began to tire, not from exertion but from the tedium of knocking down droid after droid, to no apparent end. There might have been thousands of them.

Deactivating his lightsaber, he took a deep breath. With one mighty exhalation of power, he blasted all of them-those in pieces and those approaching with needle-tipped fingers and vibrosaws upraised-out of the foyer doors. Then he blasted the rubbish piles after them. He kept pushing until a dark cloud toured out over Raxus Prime's hideous landscape-an artificial hurricane full of droid golems.'

Yes, you read that right. Starkiller destroys possibly thousands of droids and creates an artificial hurricane with the Force.

And Vader almost matched that. 😐

Malgus has no chance.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus could cut down Jedi like canon-fodder and killed them with mere gestures.

Post this happening. I have.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Try to understand its intended message.

Malgus can jump really high? Oh well he definately defeats Vader and Bane. 🙄

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I do not agree. The engine would have been much heavier then those senate pods.

Are you seriously arguing Kao is more impressive than Yoda or Sidious?

Because if so don't bother to respond. I won't.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You need to use common sense.

How does that in any way respond to what I wrote. Up your game please.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus is physically far stronger then Zannah. He can augment his already impressive physical strength to a much higher degree with the Force. He cannot be overpowered like that.

Oh dear, you missed the point again!

'the strikes coming so fast it seemed as if he wielded a dozen blades at the same time.'

Malgus was fighting a human speed in the trailer. How the hell is he going to be able to fight against an opponent so fast he can appear to be fighting with a dozen blades at once> Answer: He cannot.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Let me give you a hint:

Discarding his cloak, discarding the remaining restraints on his rage, Malgus joined the Sith charge, taking position before Adraas. Emotion fed his power, and its swell fairly lifted him from his feet. He felt the power of the dark side around him, within him.

Blaster bolts crisscrossed the battlefield from left and right as two platoons of Republic soldiers emerged from somewhere above and to the side and fired into the Sith ranks.

Malgus, nested deeply in the Force, perceived the dozens of bolts and their trajectory with perfect clarity. Without breaking stride he whipped his blade left, right, angled it ten degrees, and turned three bolts back on the soldiers who’d fired them, killing all three.

From Star Wars The Old Republic Deceived

Want more?[

Jesus Christ. You think that in any way stacks up to what Bane did? He blocked a mere three blaster bolts? Bane blocked every single raindrop in a howling storm for 10 minutes. There are calculations saying that he was moving at mach speeds. It was insane how fast he was moving. Malgus in no way compares.

Yes, you'll need more than that!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Keeping in mind your double-standards, you are hardly in the position to judge me.

By the way, Sith Emperor will be far more powerful then either Bane or Vader. His powers are rumored to be more refined then that of Darth Nihilus.

Do the math. And stop underestimating the newcomers. This is STAR WARS. Nothing ever remains the same in it.

Whatever. I do what I want.

Perhaps.

What math? I'm not underestimating anything. You're just a raging Kotor fanboy. Why don't you go back to posting Timeline pictures and talking about how it obviously proves Revan was a master swordman because he has a lightsaber in his hand and his cock in his own ass.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, I consider him as a benchmark to judge other powerful Jedi and Sith.

And yet you seem to think a person has to be at least as powerful as him to be actually powerful. This is wrong.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Really?

Malgus's performance in the Coruscant alone proves that he can hold his own against his opponents regardless of their numbers.

ugh3

Bane can disintergrate dozens of opponents with his TK, and your reply is 'oh yeah, well..... Malgus can kill people too!'

Leave. Seriously, this argument is done. 😐

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Force lightning actually burns human flesh. The defences of an opponent can counter or reduce its effects.

Malgus's force lightning was potent enough to kill Jedi and Sith.

ugh3

And Banes lightning completely reduced them to ash! That is a feat that has only been matched by Darth Sidious himself. Banes lightning is faaaaaaar more powerful than Malgus' and more powerful than anything Malgus can defend himself against.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here:

As Aryn prepared to leap at Malgus, he held forth a hand, almost casually, and lightning sizzled through the space between them. Aryn interposed her lightsabers, but the power in the lightning exceeded anything she had felt from Malgus before. It blasted through her defenses and both lightsabers flew from her hands. The lightning seized her, lifted her up, and threw her from the top of the shuttle.
As she flew toward the deck, she smelled burning flesh, heard screaming, realized that it was her flesh, her screams. She hit the ground hard and her head bounced off the ground. Sparks erupted in her brain, pain, and everything went dark

Aryn proved to be a skilled combatant. She stood up to Malgus multiple times and lasted much longer then her Jedi Master.

Oh well, whoopdie do!

If that was Banes lightning, she'd be powder on the floor. 😐

Game. Set. Match.

Ragnos wins.

/thread.

Well that puts some cap on the hype surrounding Galen's power. Still he managed to humiliate the Vader in the end and stood up to the Palpatine.

As far as the duel is concerned, do you expect powerful opponents to go down without a fight? Vader was not a weakling and he proved it.

I tink Traya getting knocked out with a single force push or Revan getting knocked out by a tiny blast is more humiliating... Not to mention that in TFU 2 Vader nearly kills starkiller and it took three lightning rods to amplify galens lightning to put vader one knee..

Serious kotor fanboy you are, the noob side i sense in you.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Yes, seeing the amount of power Galen had to unleash just to take vader out for a few minutes is a humiliation....

Originally posted by shinkoryu
I tink Traya getting knocked out with a single force push

Originally posted by shinkoryu
or Revan getting knocked out by a tiny blast is more humiliating...

If Darth Scourge would not have made his move, the Emperor would have ended up dead. He got rewarded by the Emperor for his help; his life was prolonged by the Emperor through Sith Alchemy.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Not to mention that in TFU 2 Vader nearly kills starkiller and it took three lightning rods to amplify galens lightning to put vader one knee..

Serious kotor fanboy you are, the noob side i sense in you.

You are a noob, PT fanboy.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Watch the encounter between Galen and Vader in the Force Unleashed. Galen was tossing Vader around like ragdoll in the end and without significant effort.

Only at the end. Throughout the rest of the duel they were virtually evenly matched, in fact he only gets the advantage when he begins using psychological attacks. Hell, Vader isn't really down after this but stands up and is ready to fight once again. Finally, where do you get this "without significant effort" nonsense?

Starkiller is a clone. Talk about the real thing.

First, it is arguable whether he is Staarkiller or the real deal. Secondly, the clone was just as impressive as the original.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Watch the encounter between Galen and Vader in the Force Unleashed. Galen was tossing Vader around like ragdoll in the end and without significant effort.

He had to be ragdolled because one powerful force move from starkiller wasn't enough to take Vader down. And even then the novel and game proved that they were on even terms until starkiller saw an opening.

Even then Vader was barely injured seeing how he got to his feet in mere minutes and blocked himself from the massive explosion that wrecked the tower.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

That was an attack from Darth Nihilus, genius.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

He possibly severed her connection to the Force for a brief period because she was unable to call her lightsaber afterwards.

The whole reason she couldn't call out to her lightsaber completely was because she was banged up against the wall pretty badly, if that happened to you and it hurt bad do you think you would have any strength to get up or any mental focus at all?

Use your brain.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Revan lost his focus because of shocking act of Darth Scourge. The Emperor took a cheap shot. And mind you, this Emperor is a force-titan according to rumors flying around. His powers are more refined then those of Darth Nihilus.

Im talking about the part where malak shot at revan in the bridge, that explosion was tiny and revan got knocked out pretty badly.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

If Darth Scourge would not have made his move, the Emperor would have ended up dead. He got rewarded by the Emperor for his help; his life was prolonged by the Emperor through Sith Alchemy.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Starkiller is a clone. Talk about the real thing.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

You are a noob, PT fanboy.

Seriously, how much semen have you lost due to spurting it all over Revan or any kotor character?

Originally posted by ares834
Only at the end. Throughout the rest of the duel they were virtually evenly matched, in fact he only gets the advantage when he begins using psychological attacks. Hell, Vader isn't really down after this but stands up and is ready to fight once again. Finally, where do you get this "without significant effort" nonsense?

Also, when Vader was knocked out initially, Emperor distracted Garen which gave Vader time to replenish his energies and get back on his feet. But Vader was no longer able to perform well during the second phase and got manhandled by Garen.

Here is the video:

YouTube video

The Force based showings in the Force Unleashed series are meant to make the games spicy and also demonstrate to the audience that what powerful characters could actually do with the Force. Movies are more straight forward and realistic.

Originally posted by ares834

First, it is arguable whether he is Staarkiller or the real deal. Secondly, the clone was just as impressive as the original.

Starkiller himself was convinced that he was nothing more than an imperfect version of real Garen.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vader was powerful. The duels between Garen and Vader should actually shut up those who think that Garen would just walk over any powerful character. Those duels rectify the hyperboles surrounding Garen. However, my point is that Garen proved to be more powerful then Darth Vader and manhandled him in the end.

Also, when Vader was knocked out initially, Emperor distracted Garen which gave Vader time to replenish his energies and get back on his feet. But Vader was no longer able to perform well during the second phase and got manhandled by Garen.

Here is the video:

And please don't give me that bullshit that the TFU powers are over the top and the movies are more realistic in portraying the force when you constantly use TOR trailers that show over the top powers for your arguments.

Your serious obsession with KOTOR characters is getting on everybodies nerves.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Clones are never 100% like real things.
[/B]

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Without significant effort? You mean when the novel that describes that scene that starkiller was virtually throwing every amount of power against Vader?

He had to be ragdolled because one powerful force move from starkiller wasn't enough to take Vader down. And even then the novel and game proved that they were on even terms until starkiller saw an opening.

Even then Vader was barely injured seeing how he got to his feet in mere minutes and blocked himself from the massive explosion that wrecked the tower.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
So? Its just a simple force push

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Lying fanboy, there was nothing in the scene that suggests he cut her connection to the force, no orange drain and Traya was still able to call out with the force with her lightsaber seeing how it still moved a little.

Kriea also gives some hints:

"And there would be those, like me, who have had the Force stripped from them."

&

"There are techniques within the Force against which there is no defense."

Originally posted by shinkoryu
The whole reason she couldn't call out to her lightsaber completely was because she was banged up against the wall pretty badly, if that happened to you and it hurt bad do you think you would have any strength to get up or any mental focus at all?

Use your brain.

Hitting the wall may have dazed her for a while, but she was not a weakling but a Sith Lord. She would have replenished her energies with the Force and get back on her feet after some minutes. However, Kriea was clearly not able to do anything.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Im not talking about the leaked novel which you likely read a little of it and made bullshit up considering you're the most hardcore KOTOR fanboy in existence.

Im talking about the part where malak shot at revan in the bridge, that explosion was tiny and revan got knocked out pretty badly.
You are definately a liar until you post that quote.

Also, that explosion was not tiny. The impact killed several other Jedi and knocked out Revan because he bore the brunt of the attack. It was direct fire from the Malak's flagship. You think that main Starship Cruiser weapons are jokes?

Thanks to limitations of the technologies back then, the whole episode could not be demonstrated in very realistic manner.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Sidious is a clone, the most powerful sith lord, talk about the real thing. Hypocrite

Originally posted by shinkoryu
U mad brah? Calling me a "PT fanboy" wont change the fact that you virtually suck at debating online let alone your life out of the internet.

Seriously, how much semen have you lost due to spurting it all over Revan or any kotor character?

Also, I often debate on Star Wars topics for time-pass and because I am fan of the mythos in general. You need to relax.

I will get back to your other responses later on.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
See my explanation above.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

It looks like a Force push. However, it is something else.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Then what was stopping the lightsaber to reach her hand? Either Nihilus did something to her or prevented the lightsaber to reach her hand.

If i punched you square in the jaw and you are all dizzy do you think you can concentrate?

Idiot.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Kriea also gives some hints:

"And there would be those, like me, who have had the Force stripped from them."

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

"There are techniques within the Force against which there is no defense."

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Exactly what Nihilus did to Traya is a mystery but it not a simple Force push. Darth Traya was unable to fight back afterwards.

Then how did Mandalore became such a great fighter?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Hitting the wall may have dazed her for a while, but she was not a weakling but a Sith Lord.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

She would have replenished her energies with the Force and get back on her feet after some minutes. However, Kriea was [b]clearly not able to do anything. [/B]

And again, why do you need the force to get back on your feet? Do you have any proof of this?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

You were not very clear in your interpretation.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Also, that explosion was not tiny.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

The impact killed several other Jedi and knocked out Revan because he bore the brunt of the attack. It was direct fire from the Malak's flagship. You think that main Starship Cruiser weapons are jokes?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Thanks to limitations of the technologies back then, the whole episode could not be demonstrated in very realistic manner.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Sidious is not a clone. He is real thing in the Dark Empire based events.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

However, he does not have his real body.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And his clones cannot hold his true self for much long.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

That is why he craves for a real and strong body and is interested in acquiring the body of young Anakin.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I suck or not is another matter. However, your full of shit and misconceptions when it comes to Star Wars.

Thats because you have huge double standards, you lie and you generally are an idiot.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Also, I often debate on Star Wars topics for time-pass and because I am fan of the mythos in general. You need to relax.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I will get back to your other responses later on.

As much as I dislike agreeing with one I am currently debating:

Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide, page 160-
Darth Traya indeed teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-draining powers to radical heights—so effectively, in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya’s powers in a calculated double cross. However, as Nihilus greedily consumes entirely planets’ life energy, the dark side macerates him even faster.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As much as I dislike agreeing with one I am currently debating:

Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide, page 160-
Darth Traya indeed teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-draining powers to radical heights—[b]so effectively, in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya’s powers in a calculated double cross. However, as Nihilus greedily consumes entirely planets’ life energy, the dark side macerates him even faster. [/B]

Shinkoryu, some of what you posted was explicit and unnecessary. Please keep that sort of thing to a minimum. Next time I see it, you'll receive a warning.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]Vader was powerful. The duels between Garen and Vader should actually shut up those who think that Garen would just walk over any powerful character.Those duels rectify the hyperboles surrounding Garen. However, my point is that Garen proved to be more powerful then Darth Vader and manhandled him in the end.

Why? It doesn't mean Galen "I can contain Sidious's lightning longer than Yoda " Marek is weaker but rather that Vader is stronger than we imagined. Also who the hell is Garen?

Also, when Vader was knocked out initially, Emperor distracted Garen which gave Vader time to replenish his energies and get back on his feet. But Vader was no longer able to perform well during the second phase and got manhandled by Garen.

Here is the video:

YouTube video

Considering this fight is the hardest duel in the game I don't really see the manhandling going on. (Plus it's non-canon anyway.) Furthermore, there is no implication that Vader is kocked out, but rather struggling to his feet.

The Force based showings in the Force Unleashed series are meant to make the games spicy and also demonstrate to the audience that what powerful characters could actually do with the Force. Movies are more straight forward and realistic.

lol

And the TOR trailer/books/comics are somehow straight forward and realistic right?

Starkiller himself was convinced that he was nothing more than an imperfect version of real Garen.

And yet, other believe he is. Furthermore, as I already stated, he is just as impressive as he was in the first game.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It seems to me you didn't look at the top of the page before you replied. How stupid of you.

Originally posted by Nephthys
An attempt to get your head out of the Old Republic eras *******, you biased little worm.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus would become no ordinary being. At the time he was but a padawan however.

Furthermore, during the duel with the prominent Jedi, Maglus proved with his skills that he was much more then an ordinary Sith Apprentice.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Theres no evidence that being his Master elevates Vindican up to AWESOME GODLIKE levels. While there is nothing indicating that he was a weakling, there is nothing indicating he was especially strong either.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also lol, you try to prove Malgus' power by proving his Masters power by citing Malgus' power. Can you spell c-i-r-c-u-l-a-r-l-o-g-i-c?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Which is why I would not base his power from the live-action fight alone you cretin. We know that Qui-Gon was a prominent Jedi and skilled fighter because of material from the EU. However, going just from the movie, he was pretty shite.

We don't need a novel to praise Kao. However, I hope that he is featured in some novels.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Plus Obi-Wan was a padawan. Hardly 'prominent.' 🙄

In comparison, Maglus was much more powerful then the Padawan Obi-Wan by the time he faced Kao and killed the powerful Jedi Master in much more convincing manner.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Remember how the doppleganger has been argued time and again as not being provably on the same level as original?

Think before you give a response. dursom

Originally posted by Nephthys
Haha, no. Maul was superior to Kao. Unless we use your methods of extrapolating power levels. In which case Kao's fight was SUPER-AWESOME-KAWAII!. Flashier = better after all. 🙄

Sorry, Maul does not seems to be on par with Kao.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And yet again I ask that you give me the actual source instead of a ****ing wikipedia page. Did he collapse them with the Force? What state were the houses in? Did the Jedi require time to build up a large

Oh please. I don't need to think to out-think you. 🙄

Malgus fell into the Force, roared, and hounded down the street, his anger lending his speed.

The Jedi held his ground. At twenty meters, the Jedi raised his lightsabers aloft to either side and drew them both down with a flourish.

Too late the rumble of the falling buildings penetrated the haze of Malgus's anger. An avalanche of duracrete and transparisteel crached down on him from either side of the street.

Malgus stood in a pocket under a mountain or rubble, legs bent, the power from his upraised hands preventing several tons of duracrete and steel from crushing him. Dust made his already troubled breath more difficult. He coughed as the words of his father echoed in his mind.

He'd been sloppy, so lost in his need for revenge that he'd failed to properly evaluate the Jedi's power. He's surrendered his reason to bloodlust. But no more. With an effort of will, he contained his anger, controlled it, made it a whetstone against which he sharpened his power. Using the Force, he blew the rubble up and away from him. It fell with a crash on the adjacent buildings. A Force-augmented leap carried him out and over the heap. The Jedi's eyes widened as Malgus hit the street. Malgus sneered and charged.

@ Nephthys

Now what you have to say?

Originally posted by Nephthys
No it doesn't. Amplifying yourself with the Force is one of the most basic of Jedi powers. And until you actually post teh extent of his injuries, you cannot show at all how impressive it actually was.

His breathing sounded like a rasp over wood. His skin stung from burns. A Republic commando has exploded a grenade in his face, and combat with a Jedi witch had damaged his lungs. Lacerations and contusions made a grim mosaic on his flesh.

When he planned to engage the Jedi, the pilot of his vessel said this:

"Return, my Lord? Where are you going? You're seriously wounded."

Originally posted by Nephthys
No. 😐

You check it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You shit words from your mouth as if you expect them to be golden eggs. Don't give me

Originally posted by Nephthys
Did they do impressive TK feats? You certainly havn't posted them if they did. They exist right? ! mean, you didn't dream them or anything?

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, you citing Malgus killing two Jedi as impressive and then Zannah doing the same (at age 12, with no training at all, by accident) as unimpressive is a sign of double standards.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, they were nameless Jedi. Here is the excerpt:

'She was still screaming when the first Jedi ran up to her. "Are you okay, little one?" he asked, reaching down.

Instinctively, she lashed out at him. She didn't know how she did it; it wasn't even a conscious thought. She only knew he had shot her friend. He had killed Laa!

"What's the mat-" His voice was cut short as she snapped his neck with the Force. The eyes of his companion went wide in horror, but before he could do anything else she had broken his neck, too.'

I will say both.

Those two Jedi were shit because they are featless cannon-fodders.

Zannah did an impressive job because she killed them when she was just 12 and without formal training.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Tell me, are you majoring in missing the point or does it just come naturally to you?

Originally posted by Nephthys
She would wear Kao's head for a hat. 🙂

And Malgus' as an ass-warmer.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane was able to fight her plus two other BM Jedi at once. 🙄

He was clearly her superior and would have killed her 2 seconds in if not for a) the Battle Meditation that weakens him and strengthens her and b) Farfalla saving her from being pulped against a wall. Malgus would not have Farfalla there to stop Bane from smearing him like a fly.

The same is true for Malgus. Satale kicked his ass.

Also I have to laugh at you talking shit about me 'belittling' Malgus and Vindican and then turn around and do the same to Bane. Keep it classy Legend. 👆

Even when he was badly injured, he performed very impressive feats and killed two Jedi with his powers. He crushed the windpipe of one, and burned the other with his force lightning.

He can contend with Bane on equal footing.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You call me pathetic, I reply in kind. 😐

"Much to learn, you still have."

Originally posted by Nephthys
My mind makes it real. If I kick you ass in my mind, you get pwned on teh forums as well.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No it doesn't. Galen is quite as powerful as he is hyped.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That he evetually won does not diminish the fight Vader gave him. They are definately on the same tier.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I expect them to defeat him with some element of ease, yes. They are simply his superior.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Is sorcery not effected by Force strength now? Either way, we're not discussing Zannah vs Bane.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yet again you miss the point. I was refering to when Bane and kas'im were dueling and Bane was winning due to his greater strength in the Force.

Yes he did. In pure lightsabers Bane won. It was only after Kas'im split his double-bladed lightsaber in to dual blades did Kas'im turn the tables.

And Malgus knows Jar Kai too. He killed Kao using this technique.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Do you ever get the point? I feel like I'm the only one doing any thinking in this conversation.

Originally posted by Nephthys
🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
No it isn't you moron. Dooku has the Force to make up for his age, Ian does not.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Indeed. Dooku actually defeated his two opponents and then fought evenly with Grandmaster Yoda, one of the most powerful Force users in the entire mythos for several minutes.

But Kao did a kewl backflip! awesome_xj9

There was no cooperation between Anakin and Obi-Wan. Anakin just rushed towards Dooku and got overpowered by his force lightning. Obi-Wan had no choice but to fight Dooku alone and he lost. Then Anakin came back but performed poorly with Jar Kai. He got one of his hands chopped off. This entire episode tired Dooku to some extent but he replenished his energies.

Then Yoda came and countered every move of Dooku. They engaged in a lightsaber duel but Dooku realized that he could not defeat Yoda and may eventually get subdued if he would persist. He distracted Yoda by force moves and managed to escape.

Not very impressive, I assure you.

In case of Kao; two powerful Sith Lords cooperated and yet they got outclassed. One of them was struck down by Kao. In addition, Kao also performed more impressive force feats in comparison to Count Dooku's showings in the Geonosis.

Originally posted by Nephthys
'Soon the foyer was full of the twitching, smoking bodies of the temple's hapless guardians. He began to tire, not from exertion but from the tedium of knocking down droid after droid, to no apparent end. There might have been thousands of them.

Deactivating his lightsaber, he took a deep breath. With one mighty exhalation of power, he blasted all of them-those in pieces and those approaching with needle-tipped fingers and vibrosaws upraised-out of the foyer doors. Then he blasted the rubbish piles after them. He kept pushing until a dark cloud toured out over Raxus Prime's hideous landscape-an artificial hurricane full of droid golems.'

Yes, you read that right. Starkiller destroys possibly thousands of droids and creates an artificial hurricane with the Force.

And Vader almost matched that. 😐

Malgus has no chance.

Malgus performed this with a mere gesture:

Malgus fell into the Force as his brewing anger bubbled to the surface. “I said disperse!”

When the crowd did not respond to his demand, he slammed a fist into his palm and let anger-fueled power explode outward from his body. Screams sounded as the blast shoved everything away from him in all directions.

Bodies flew backward, slammed into one another, into the walls, against and through windows. The transport he’d rode on lurched from the blast. The doors of the medical facility flew from their mounts and crashed to the ground.

With proper focus, he could perform much more impressive feats in comparison to this one. He has chance.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Post this happening. I have.

Some examples:

1. Malgus augmented his strength with the Force, took a two-handed grip on his blade, and unleashed an overhand slash designed to split the Jedi in half. The Jedi sidestepped the blow and crosscut with his blue blade at Malgus’s throat. Malgus got his blade up in time, parried, and slammed a kick into the Jedi’s mid-section. The blow folded the Jedi in half, sent him reeling backward five paces. Malgus leapt into the air, flipped, landed behind him, and drove his blade through the Jedi. Roaring with battle lust, Malgus sought another opponent.

2. A flash of lavender skin drew his gaze—Eleena. She ducked under a saber slash and dived to her side, firing half a dozen blaster shots as she did so. The Padawan who’d tried to kill her, a female Zabrak, the horns of her head gilt with colored pigments, deflected the shots as she closed in for another blow. Eleena flipped to her feet, still firing, but the Padawan deflected every shot and drew nearer.

Malgus drew on the Force and with a blast of power drove the Padawan across the hall and into one of the towering columns of stone, where she collapsed, blood leaking from her nose.

3. Malgus, not to be outdone, picked a Jedi Knight at random, a human female ten meters away, held forth his left hand, and discharged veins of blue lightning from his fingertips. The jagged lines of energy cut a swath through the battle, harvesting two Padawans as they went, until they caught up to the Jedi Knight and lifted her off her feet.

She screamed as the lightning ripped into her, her flesh made temporarily translucent from the dark power coursing through her. Malgus savored her pain as she died.

4. Before he could locate the Jedi Master, three more Jedi swarmed him. He parried the chop of a human male, leapt over the low slash of an orange-skinned Togruta female, severed the hand of the third, a female human, disarming her, then grabbed her by the throat with his free hand and slammed her into the floor with his Force-enhanced strength.

“Alara!” said the human male.

Leaping high over the male’s cross-slash, Malgus landed behind the Togruta, who parried his lightsaber strike but could not defend herself against a Force blast that sent her skidding across the hall and into a pile of rubble.

5. He ducked under a slash from the male, lunged forward, and took the Jedi by the throat. He lifted him from his feet and held him suspended in the air, gagging. The Jedi’s brown eyes showed no fear, but did show pain. Malgus roared, squeezed hard, then dropped the body and stood over it, blade at his side, breath coming hard.

6. He returned his gaze to Zallow and stalked toward him, his rage and power surging before him in a palpable wave. Another Jedi stepped in front of him, blue blade held high. Malgus barely saw him. He simply extended a hand, pushed through the Jedi’s insufficient defenses, seized his throat with the Force, and choked him to death. Tossing the body aside, he moved toward Zallow.

7. Zallow and Malgus closed. They halted at one meter, studied each other for a moment.

A human male Jedi Knight separated from the swirl of battle and stabbed at Malgus. Malgus sidestepped the blue line of the blade, punched the man in the stomach, doubling him over, and raised his own blade for a killing blow.

8. At the same time, he reached out with the Force for the hiddern light-side user, brushed aside the resistence he felt, and pulled the Jedi out of hiding.

A human male in his twenties rose up out of ruins, dangling like a fish on the hook of Malgus's power. His legs kicked futilely; the green blade of his lightsaber cut at empty here; he gagged as Malgus's power squeezed shut his throat.

"Vorin!" shouted the Zabrak.

"So much for your ambush," Malgus said, and closed his fist, crushing Vorin's windpipe. He let the body fall to the charred earth.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus can jump really high? Oh well he definately defeats Vader and Bane. 🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
Are you seriously arguing Kao is more impressive than Yoda or Sidious?

Because if so don't bother to respond. I won't.

Here is a comparison:

Which object is bigger and heavier? The answer is obvious.

You think that only Yoda and Sidious could perform impressive feats?

Originally posted by Nephthys
How does that in any way respond to what I wrote. Up your game please.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh dear, you missed the point again!

'the strikes coming so fast it seemed as if he wielded a dozen blades at the same time.'

Malgus was fighting a human speed in the trailer. How the hell is he going to be able to fight against an opponent so fast he can appear to be fighting with a dozen blades at once> Answer: He cannot.

Eschewing speed and grace for power, Zallow loosed a flurry of rapid strikes, slashes, and lunges. Malgus parried one blow after another...

Another hint:

The red line of his weapon spun so fast in his hand it expanded into a shield.

Another hint:

Adraas loosed a flurry of strikes, his blade a humming, red blur as he spun, stabbed, slashed, and cut. Malgus backed off a single step, another, then held his ground, his own blade an answer to all of Adraas’s attacks.

Now you get the picture?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Jesus Christ. You think that in any way stacks up to what Bane did? He blocked a mere three blaster bolts? Bane blocked every single raindrop in a howling storm for 10 minutes. There are calculations saying that he was moving at mach speeds. It was insane how fast he was moving. Malgus in no way compares.

Yes, you'll need more than that!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Whatever. I do what I want.

Perhaps.

What math? I'm not underestimating anything. You're just a raging Kotor fanboy. Why don't you go back to posting Timeline pictures and talking about how it obviously proves Revan was a master swordman because he has a lightsaber in his hand and his cock in his own ass.

I am going to enjoy crushing you.