Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Profiled.
Taking something out of context?
Spoiler:
I'm so shocked
Nah. Windu did more damage than Drallig and has better combo's etc. He was just the all-round best character I found.Edit: Vader was way too slow.
It's been years, and I seldom played Drallig or Mace very often. Vader, though slow, was a true powerhouse.
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
I never misinterpreted this. We agree, Yoda is clearly inferior to Sidious. he
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Originally posted by Nephthys
But Bane could, as seen when he fought 2 Battle-Meditationed Jedi Masters at once and completely kicked their shit in through most of the fight.
Kao did not felt the need to perform such acrobatics. His skills with the lightsaber were so refined that he could comfortably block lightsaber strikes of his opponents from majority of the angles. This does not suggests that Kao could not perform impressive acrobatics.
Also, Malgus has a comparable showing to that feat of Bane. He killed two Jedi on Aldeeran when he was badly injured (near death).
Originally posted by Nephthys
Likewise Vader has fought multiple skilled foes at once. I can think of at least 2 times when he's fought 4 or more Jedi opponents at once and beaten them.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its impressive to be sure. But its not one the level of Vader or Bane, who have fought much more impressive foes. Vader for instance can fight Starkiller almost equally with the latter just having an edge on him, and Bane facing Kas'im, the above mentioned BM'ed Jedi Masters and Zannah.
And Vader never managed to defeat Galen Marek in a fair contest. Galen subdued him but spared his life. In TFU-II, Starkiller was knocked out by a cheap shot from another clone of his, who saved the Vader.
Bane ultimately lost to Zannah regardless of his skills. Also, Bane failed to subdue Kas'im with his skills. He used the Force to collapse an entire building on Kas'im to kill him. Even Bane was not virtually unstoppable.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I never said that he wasn't impressive, just that he isn't up to standards of Vader and Bane.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its not Yoda level. Kao used a lightsaber, which is makes it much easier to deflect lightning. Yoda was barehanding that shit like a pro.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He needs a little bit more under his belt before he's on Dooku's level. But if you're so confident we could argue it in a proper thread. Hell, Vader and Bane vs Malgus as well if you'd like.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I've explained my reasoning for why its not a clean win for him. Kao had to fight Malgus' master at the same time he was fighting Malgus, meaning he would have had to work twice as hard than Malgus was.
Otherwise, the killing of Dooku by Anakin would also not appear to be as impressive as we think. Because Dooku may have exhausted lot of his energies by dueling both Anakin and his Jedi Master simultaneously prior to him getting killed by Anakin.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Plus its not like those objects were effective at all. He just casually slashes them in half. If anything it would have just exhausted Kao out doing all that heavy Force use.
Even Yoda and Sidious just dodged the senate pods coming towards them.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So he has a name. Cool?
Regardless of potential, few acolytes succeed in facing the rigorous trials to become Sith Inquisitors.
And if you think that he was a joke, he survived a direct missile hit from a prominent soldier and even the impaling from a lightsaber of Kao. Malgus killed him actually, taking advantage of his weak situation.
By any means, he was no joke either. Watch the footage carefully.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Meh.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He didn't get his ass handed to him. Kao Force Waves the ground and he simply backs off until his master is defeated, giving him time to recover. Plus Malgus was not fighting two opponents at once in taht fight.
Originally posted by Nephthys
But even then, even if we agree that he did defeat Kao legitimately, it would not be enough to put him on Vader or Banes level, both of which would annihilate Kao.
Neither Bane and nor Vader are unstoppable and nor they would be able to defeat a Jedi Master on the level of Kao without significant effort and that too if things go in there favor. And Malgus was very strong.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
If the RotS video-game is counted, it actually happened like 50 times.
How many Count Dooku level characters he could handle simultaneously?
In games, characters do seem like May Sues.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This does not addresses the point at had.Kao did not felt the need to perform such acrobatics. His skills with the lightsaber were so refined that he could comfortably block lightsaber strikes of his opponents from majority of the angles. This does not suggests that Kao could not perform impressive acrobatics.
Again, you are making this out to be more impressive than it really is. He can block form multiple angles? So? Lots of Jedi can do that. Its not going to make me squee over him.
And it doesn't mean that he can do impressive acrobatics either.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Also, Malgus has a comparable showing. He killed two Jedi on Aldeeran when he was [B]badly injured.[/b]
Two random Jedi is not comparable to kicking the shit out of teh Grandmaster of the Jedi Order and Raskta Lsu under the effects of Battle Meditation. And Zannah killed two Jedi when she was 12 by accident.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And how skilled were those combatants? Were they even comparable to Maul? I highly doubt it.
Double standards much?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You are really stretching things here. Vader surely has some victories under his belt but he also has lost in some of his encounters. He is not virtually unstoppable. Not even close.
I don't recall saying he was. He'd still beat Malgus though.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And Vader never managed to defeat Galen Marek in a fair contest. Galen subdued him but spared his life. In TFU-II, Starkiller was knocked out by a cheap shot from another clone of his, who saved the Vader.
Again, Vader and Galen are almost equal. That alone is better than anything Malgus has done that you've shown me.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Bane ultimately lost to Zannah regardless of his skills.
The person he explicitly trained to one day exceed him with Force Strength comparable to his own? No shit. 😐
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Also, Bane failed to subdue Kas'im with his skills. He used the Force to collapse an entire building on Kas'im to kill him. Even Bane was not virtually unstoppable.
Bane was only losing because of a specific weakness in his lightsaber abilities that Kas'im (the guy who trained him in lightsaber combat) had nurtured in him. Without that Bane was beating him. And again I did not say he was unstoppable. He doesn't need to be to tear Malgus' head off with the Force.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am not convinced enough.
If you're not careful I may have to become truly two-faced and start pointing out that Malgus got his ass kicked by a Trooper, failed to sense a grenade before it exploded and displayed absolutely no Force Speed capabilities.
In a similar situation Darth Maul was able to not only sense the explosive but also outrun the explosion afterwards.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Kao was holding lightsabers in both of his hands. Therefore, he used them.
So? Are you suggesting he can block lightning with his bare hands with absolutely no proof to back you up?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Still he effortlessly controlled and used the force lightning of his opponent to his own advantage and sent Malgus packing with it, which is impressive.
To you perhaps.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Seriously, I know Dooku's level. His showings on Geonosis is nothing in comparison to what Kao demonstrated in that single duel.
Limitations of live-action cinema. You know that Christopher Lee is over 80 years old right?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Point considered. Still this does not makes Malgus's achievement insignificant.
I haven't said it did.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Otherwise, the killing of Dooku by Anakin would also not appear to be as impressive as we think. Because Dooku may have exhausted lot of his energies by dueling both Anakin and his Jedi Master simultaneously prior to him getting killed by Anakin.
This might be the case. But I'm not arguing Anakin or Doou here so moving on.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That is a testament to the enormous strength and power of Malgus. You think that huge objects coming towards you like missiles are a joke to block?
Apparantly if you can just casually cut them in half. Plus neither Bane or Vader are exactly lacking in the strength departments.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Even Yoda and Sidious just dodged the senate pods coming towards them.
Senate pods would be much harder to cut in half. Especially with Yoda's kiddie-sized lightsaber.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And he was Malgus's Sith Master. He was also on the level of Sith Inquisitors.Regardless of potential, few acolytes succeed in facing the rigorous trials to become Sith Inquisitors.
This does not put him at an especially high level at all. It even says that it has nothing to do with their potential.
Besides which, souce for him being on level with the Sith Inquisitors?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And if you think that he was a joke, he survived a direct missile hit from a prominent soldier and even the impaling from a lightsaber of Kao. Malgus killed him actually, taking advantage of his weak situation.By any means, he was no joke either. Watch the footage carefully.
Again he recieves a very decisive 'meh'. He displayed no outstanding abilities or skill imo.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Meh what?
I didn't really have anything else to say. It was badass, but not on the level of Vader or Bane.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Again, you are stretching things here.Neither Bane and nor Vader are unstoppable and nor they would be able to defeat a Jedi Master on the level of Kao without significant effort. And Malgus was very strong.
I am not stretching anything. Bane and Vader are 2 of the most powerful Sith in the mythos. Their power is established and has been debated alot in thses forums. Malgus is a new comer. Its up to you to prove that he can stand up to them. And you're going to need more than a few minutes of trailers to do that.
Bane in particular could likely snap Kao's spine with a wave of his hand.
