Darth Malgus vs Sith

Wut?

She does have Force Strength comparable to his own.

..................I was just trying to remind you of our discussion in ze Battle Bar like a prickfriend would.

For my part, I think you defended yourself against the infidel on this thread quite well.

Your olive branch of Friendship is accepted.

Which one am I? The purple or orange ball?

You don't know who you are? You must be a very confused person my friend.

I am victory

You're a loony.

no

😐

no

A Loon is an individual who without question or limit supports and worships Steve Perry. This is not me.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again, you are making this out to be more impressive than it really is. He can block form multiple angles? So? Lots of Jedi can do that. Its not going to make me squee over him.

You are unnecessarily trying to downplay the performance of Kao. He was handling too prominent Sith Lords of his time. He was not facing some noobs. There is no comparsion between this particular case and showings of lots of Jedi.

By your logic, Darth Maul's showing against Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan means squat. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were prominent Jedi of his time.

Think twice before you type any response.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And it doesn't mean that he can do impressive acrobatics either.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Two random Jedi is not comparable to kicking the shit out of teh Grandmaster of the Jedi Order and Raskta Lsu under the effects of Battle Meditation. And Zannah killed two Jedi when she was 12 by accident.

Also, do you even try to focus on the details of the events?

Here is the summary of that encounter:

As he departed Alderaan, Malgus sensed the presence of a Jedi within a ruined city on the planet. Desiring revenge against those who had deprived him of victory, Malgus ordered his shuttle's pilot to turn the craft around and hover over the city. Against the protests of the pilot, Malgus leaped from the craft to confront the Jedi within the city's ruined streets. There, the Sith found a Zabrak Jedi and rushed to engage him, but was caught off guard when the Zabrak brought two duracrete buildings down upon him. Malgus used the Force to shield himself from the debris, focusing his anger to blast away the rubble before emerging to confront the Jedi in a lightsaber duel. Malgus's repeated blows overpowered the Jedi, but the Zabrak made no effort at a counterattack. Realizing that he was being drawn into an ambush, Malgus detected the presence of another Jedi nearby. After knocking the Zabrak out of the way, the Sith Lord Force gripped the second Jedi and crushed his windpipe. The murder of the second Jedi enraged the Zabrak, who assaulted Malgus until the Sith attacked him with Force lightning. Malgus continued his barrage until the damage caused by the lightning proved too much for the Zabrak, who dropped to the ground in defeat. The Sith took a moment to observe the look of failure in the Jedi's eyes before impaling him and rejoining his forces in retreat. Following the battle on Alderaan, Malgus was nursed back to health by Daru, but jaw wounds he received during the battle forced him to don a respirator mask that covered his nose, mouth, and neck.

And Zannah's feat simply confirms that those Jedi were mere weaklings.

Also, we all know how much capable Jedi were in time of Bane. He really despised them. Mere labels of Jedi Masters are not enough. Prove it that those two Jedi were even on the Count Dooku level.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Double standards much?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't recall saying he was. He'd still beat Malgus though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again, Vader and Galen are almost equal. That alone is better than anything Malgus has done that you've shown me.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The person he explicitly trained to one day exceed him with Force Strength comparable to his own? No shit. 😐

Zannah won through her sorcery.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane was only losing because of a specific weakness in his lightsaber abilities that Kas'im (the guy who trained him in lightsaber combat) had nurtured in him. Without that Bane was beating him. And again I did not say he was unstoppable. He doesn't need to be to tear Malgus' head off with the Force.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If you're not careful I may have to become truly two-faced and start pointing out that Malgus got his ass kicked by a Trooper, failed to sense a grenade before it exploded and displayed absolutely no Force Speed capabilities.

Try again.

Originally posted by Nephthys
In a similar situation Darth Maul was able to not only sense the explosive but also outrun the explosion afterwards.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So? Are you suggesting he can block lightning with his bare hands with absolutely no proof to back you up?

Originally posted by Nephthys
To you perhaps.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He was kinda kicking their asses imo. I agree that they did keep getting in each others way, but you could also say he used them against each other, like when he channels the lightning right into Malgus' chest. that was pretty badass.

Forgot it?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Limitations of live-action cinema. You know that Christopher Lee is over 80 years old right?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I haven't said it did.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This might be the case. But I'm not arguing Anakin or Doou here so moving on.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Apparantly if you can just casually cut them in half. Plus neither Bane or Vader are exactly lacking in the strength departments.

See this image:

http://www.swtor.com/media/wallpapers/return

Originally posted by Nephthys
Senate pods would be much harder to cut in half. Especially with Yoda's kiddie-sized lightsaber.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This does not put him at an especially high level at all. It even says that it has nothing to do with their potential.

Besides which, souce for him being on level with the Sith Inquisitors?

Also, Vindican was introduced as an example of Sith Inquisitor by the developers. Check SWTOR forums for more details.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again he recieves a very decisive 'meh'. He displayed no outstanding abilities or skill imo.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I didn't really have anything else to say. It was badass, but not on the level of Vader or Bane.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I am not stretching anything. Bane and Vader are 2 of the most powerful Sith in the mythos. Their power is established and has been debated alot in thses forums. Malgus is a new comer. Its up to you to prove that he can stand up to them. And you're going to need more than a few minutes of trailers to do that.

New comers can be pretty badass. For example; (KOTOR) Sith Emperor, Darth Scourge, Darth Nihilus, Darth Malgus, Satele Shan, and Abeloth.

Of course, with passage of time we would learn more about Kao. However, your arguments are literally lame.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane in particular could likely snap Kao's spine with a wave of his hand.

I'm sensing some hostility here.

U mad bro?

No, that is not my intention. I have toned down some of my comments. I apologize, if I came on a little harsh.

However, you need to see the logic behind my comments.

Bro, regardless of our likings - things would never remain the same in Star Wars. Try to understand this.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Also, Malgus has a comparable showing to that feat of Bane. He killed two Jedi on Aldeeran when he was [B]badly injured (near death).
[/B]

And how skilled were those combatants? Were they even comparable to Maul/Vader/Bane? I highly doubt it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

You are really stretching things here. Vader surely has some victories under his belt but he also has lost in some of his encounters. He is not virtually unstoppable. Not even close.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And Vader never managed to defeat Galen Marek in a fair contest. Galen subdued him but spared his life.

Even if you want to call Vaders "thrashing" a humiliation but you got to note that it was an incredible amount of power starkiller was dishing out and this "thrashing" actually shows Vaders near god like endurace seeing how he gets to his feet mere minutes after that and survives a massive explosion. Revan was taken out by a small blast wave, Kreia was knocked to crap by a single force push. Those are far more humiliating to me.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

In TFU-II, Starkiller was knocked out by a cheap shot from another clone of his, who saved the Vader.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Seriously, I know Dooku's level. His showings on Geonosis is nothing in comparison to what Kao demonstrated in that single duel.

Compare Taekwondo to Muay thai. Taek is a very flashy fighting style while still being able to dish out damage.

Muay thai looks clumsy and non flashy but deals even more damage than Taekwondo and in the majority of cross over fights, its 90% the time that the thai boxer beats the shit out of the taekwondo expert.

My point is flashier =/= more skilled.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Otherwise, the killing of Dooku by Anakin would also not appear to be as impressive as we think. Because Dooku may have exhausted lot of his energies by dueling both Anakin and his Jedi Master simultaneously prior to him getting killed by Anakin.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

That is a testament to the enormous strength and power of Malgus. You think that huge objects coming towards you like missiles are a joke to block?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Even Yoda and Sidious just dodged the senate pods coming towards them.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And he was Malgus's Sith Master. He was also on the level of Sith Inquisitors.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Neither Bane and nor Vader are unstoppable and nor they would be able to defeat a Jedi Master on the level of Kao without significant effort and that too if things go in there favor. And Malgus was very strong.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

In games, characters do seem like May Sues.

Heck the only character that is NOT a mary sue from a video game is Geralt of Rivia

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am giving fair treatment to all characters here.

You are unnecessarily trying to downplay the performance of Kao.

Well you used Kao as an example of Malgus being on the level of Vader and Bane. I'm simply replying to that argument.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He was handling too prominent Sith Lords of his time. He was not facing some noobs. There is no comparsion between this particular case and showings of lots of Jedi.

'Too prominent Sith Lords?' You mean 1 Sith Lord and his apprentice. Theres no knowing how 'prominent' Vindican actually is. Or how he scales with regards to other 'prominent' Sith Lords of the mythos.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
By your logic, Darth Maul's showing against Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan means squat. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were prominent Jedi of his time.

Think twice before you type any response.

Again, I'm not discussing Maul in this thread. Though if I was, I would not try to use his fight with Qui-Gon and Kenobi soley as a basis of his abilities. Visual evidence of skill is notoriously fallible. What is 'skilled' in terms of a live action fight is not comparable to what can be seen as 'skilled' in terms of an animated fight, or in a novel.

Feel, don't think.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It does not disproves that he cannot.

Well it does not disprove that he can breath in space or blow up planets with his dick either.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Again, this random jedi shit makes no sense. Malgus was [B]badly injured when he killed two Jedi and one of his opponents was strong.[/b]

That he was able to defeat them while 'badly injured' only proves that those jedi were mere weaklings.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Do you understand what [B]badly injured means?[/b]

No. Please enlighten me. Because it seems from your exerpt that he was in well enough shape to still run around and lightsaber fight. So I doubt he was as debilitated as you are implying.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here is the summary of that encounter:

As he departed Alderaan, Malgus sensed the presence of a Jedi within a ruined city on the planet. Desiring revenge against those who had deprived him of victory, Malgus ordered his shuttle's pilot to turn the craft around and hover over the city. Against the protests of the pilot, Malgus leaped from the craft to confront the Jedi within the city's ruined streets. [B]There, the Sith found a Zabrak Jedi and rushed to engage him, but was caught off guard when the Zabrak brought two duracrete buildings down upon him. Malgus used the Force to shield himself from the debris, focusing his anger to blast away the rubble before emerging to confront the Jedi in a lightsaber duel. Malgus's repeated blows overpowered the Jedi, but the Zabrak made no effort at a counterattack. Realizing that he was being drawn into an ambush, Malgus detected the presence of another Jedi nearby. After knocking the Zabrak out of the way, the Sith Lord Force gripped the second Jedi and crushed his windpipe. The murder of the second Jedi enraged the Zabrak, who assaulted Malgus until the Sith attacked him with Force lightning. Malgus continued his barrage until the damage caused by the lightning proved too much for the Zabrak, who dropped to the ground in defeat. The Sith took a moment to observe the look of failure in the Jedi's eyes before impaling him and rejoining his forces in retreat. Following the battle on Alderaan, Malgus was nursed back to health by Daru, but jaw wounds he received during the battle forced him to don a respirator mask that covered his nose, mouth, and neck. [/b]

Theres not much that can be gleaned from that Wookiepedia summery. Those Jedi seem to be pretty crappy, but unless you can post the actual fight theres no way of knowing for certain imo.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And Zannah's feat simply confirms that those Jedi were mere weaklings.

Double Standards Ahoy!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Also, we all know how much capable Jedi were in time of Bane. He really despised them. Mere labels of Jedi Masters are not enough. Prove it that those two Jedi were even on the Count Dooku level.

'Even on the Count Dooku level'? What the ****? You know that Dooku is one of the most powerful and skilled Force users in the entire mythos right?

Though if you insist.:

Remember they were under the effects of Battle Meditation:

'It had been many years since Farfalla had fought while empowered by Worror's battle meditation. He had forgotten how much quicker and stronger the Ithorian's amazing talent made him feel. The Force flowed through him with greater power, filling him with its might. Yet even with their enhanced abilities, he wondered if they would survive the coming battle.'

Raskta Lsu:

'Master Raskta Lsu, an Echani, sat at the controls of her ship. She had the alabaster skin, pure white hair, and silver eyes common to all her species. She was almost as tall as Johun, with the muscles and physique one would expect in a species that valued physical combat as the highest form of art and personal expression. Named in honor of the legendary Echani warrior Raskta Fenni, acclaimed by many to be the greatest duelist of her time, Master Raskta had spent her life honing her martial skills so that she could one day equal, and even surpass, her namesake.

She had achieved the rare and prestigious rank of Jedi Weapons Master. Eschewing all other fields of study and forsaking the development of her other Force talents to focus exclusively on the lightsaber and combat, she had transformed herself into a living weapon.

Now tasked with training apprentices in the forms of lightsaber combat, Raskta had been part of the campaign on Ruusan. Wielding a blue-bladed lightsaber in each hand, and shunning any form of armor, she was a terrifying figure to behold on the battlefield. Johun vividly remembered her carving great swaths of destruction through the heart of the enemy ranks, leaving a litter of bodies in her wake. It was said that, by the end of the war, as many Sith Lords had fallen under her twin blades as had been killed by the thought bomb.'

'Raska's blue blades flickered too quickly for the eye to see, neutralizing her enemy's initial, wild attack then landing half a dozen lethal blows to his chest and abdomen. But instead of toppling, the big man kept coming, never even breaking stride. He would have plowed straight into Raskta, trampling her under his heavy boots, had she not cartwheeled to the side at the last possible instant.

'She seemed to be everywhere at once-in front of Bane, beside him, behind him, circling low, leaping to come in high, deflecting his blade with one of her own then stabbing three quick times in succession at his eyes. The big man's head ducked and bobbed, twisting and turning to avoid her blows as he tried to mount a counteroffensive.

Raskta's mastery of her blades was unparalleled, but even with her talents augmented by Worror's battle meditation she wasn't able to land a telling blow on such a small target through Bane's defenses. Still, the ferocity of her new strategy had turned the momentum in her favor ... or so Farfalla thought.'

'The young Jedi marveled at the speed and savagery of Raskta's blades. And while Johun's own clumsy efforts had actually seemed to impede Sarro when they fought side by side, Raskta appeared to thrive off his presence. When he went high, she went low. If he came from the left, she came from the right. It was partly a function of her choice of weapon: individually each of her lightsabers was more precise and accurate than Sarro's giant double blades. But it was more than that. Her reactions were so fast, her combat instincts so pure, that she was able to sense and anticipate what he was going to do even as it happened, then use his attacks to her own advantage.'

Farfalla, while less impressive, was still Grand Master of the Jedi Order, and a veteran of the war:

'On her opposite side Farfalla struck with clean, elegant blows, his form perfect as he harried Bane's right flank. Yet though they were able to hold their ground, they couldn't drive him back or defeat him.'

Hey Neph, I agree with you but was wondering where Farfalla was called the Grandmaster? He was a Jedi Lord but I can't ever recall him being labeled as Grandmaster.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Is this your counter argument? Pathetic.

Oh well **** you very much too.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In your dreams?

In your nightmares. 😉

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, Galen and Vader are not equals. Galen is more powerful. Galen (original person) defeated Vader in his final duel with him and literally humiliated him in the end. After this, he stood up to the Sith Emperor, Darth Sidious.

As shinkoryu succintly put, Galen had to work very hard to win those fights, at several points almost losing.

'The apprentice fell back under the rain of blows. The sizzling of fabric and a faint stink of burning skin told him that at least two of Darth Vader's misses had been horribly near, but he felt no pain. He, on the other hand, had definitely struck a nerve.'

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not necessarily. By this logic, Bane is the weakest Sith Lord (since Rule of Two) in comparison to all the later Sith Lords. Think logically.

Zannah won through her sorcery.

No, since thats assuming that in 1000 the Sith always find an apprentice who can one day become more powerful than them. Bane did however, which is why he took Zannah as his apprentice.

Are you suggesting that Zannah is not an extremely powerful Sith Lord? When she was but a child she was capable to disintergrating her cousins hand and blocking a planet-wide Force Storm.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And yet Bane failed to overpower him with his mastery in the Force? He had to collapse an entire building on Kas'im to kill him? Again, you are coming up with half-@ssed arguments. Try again.

He didn't fail to overpower him with his mastery of the Force. He did overpower him with his mastery of the Force. But Kas'im had specifically made it so that Bane didn't know how to fight against dual lightsabers, so when he split his doublebladed lightsaber Bane couldn't deal with it.

Plus you assume that Kas'im was unimpressive. He isn't. In fact he's widely regarded on this forum as possibly the most skilled lightsaber fighter in the mythos.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Another baseless argument. He had Satele Shan on her knees and was occupied with her, when that Trooper (who is also a prominent character) took advantage. However, the explosion of his grenade failed to kill Malgus.

Try again.

If he's so blind that he can't sense a 200 lb Trooper hurtling towards him, or his precognative powers are so weak he can't sense that or a grenade 1 foot from his face then how do expect he can defeat Bane or Vader?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Limitation of Maul? He still survived.

Pardon?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I would not speculate in this regard. However, his feat was still impressive since he countered Malgus with it.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You also wrote this long a while ago:

Forgot it?

Badass does not = Impressive enough to defeat Vader or Bane.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not at the time of the shooting of that movie. Also, this is not a valid excuse. The fights in those movies looked impressive because of [B]special effects involved. Normal humans cannot mimic the capabilities of Jedi as per Lucas Vision. Again, think logically.[/B]

Good point. He was 'merely' 80. 🙄

And uh, thanks for proviing my point for me, I guess. Thats what I meant when I said 'limitations of live-action cinema.'

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Show me comparable feats from them. And much more then cutting was involved.

YouTube video

At 1.45 we can see Starkiller swinging a AT-ST cannon like a baseball bat and using it to destroy the walker. Now compare to this:

'He thought he was ready-and so the sheer severity of the opening blow took him by surprise.

A simple double stroke, up and then down, it contained enough power to jar his wrists and shoulders and very nearly disarm him completely. The collision of their lightsabers was blinding. He staggered backward and found himself at the center of a telekinetic storm. His Master seized on his momentary weakness and hurled missiles at him from all sides, hoping to keep him off his guard. For a moment, it worked.'

One strike from Vader was nearly enough to overpower him and caused him to stagger backwards. Theres no comparison. Vader is much stronger than Malgus by far.

(Also at 2.03 of the video we can see Starkiller cutting completely through an AT-ST.)

As for Bane he is described as a 'mountain of muscle' and is likewise strong enough to tear lightsabers from others grip:

'Valenthyne recognized, processed, and reacted to this information in a fraction of a second, allowing him to adjust his own weapon's course just enough to block a strike that otherwise would have slipped along the edge of his blade and taken his arm off at the elbow. Even so, the strength behind the attack tore Farfalla's golden blade from his grip, sending his lightsaber skittering across the floor. Unarmed and helpless before his enemy, he was saved by Raskta.'

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
See this image:

http://www.swtor.com/media/wallpapers/return

Very pretty.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Harder then that Starship Engine? I hardly doubt it.

Then we agree?

(You probably meant 'I highly doubt it.)

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I doubt that some looney would be Malgus's Sith Master.

Also, Vindican was introduced as an example of Sith Inquisitor by the developers. Check SWTOR forums for more details.

If only your doubts were acceptable evidence. Oh well.

No, you check it. You make a claim, you back it up.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In your biased mindset. To most, that fight was incredible.

It was badass. But it was not up to the standards of some of the EU material. How for example is Malgus going to deal with Bane when he can attack like this:

She fell into a defensive posture as she so often had during their training sessions. But this was no drill, and her Master came at her with a speed and ferocity she had never faced before. Giving in to his orbalisk-fueled bloodrage, he was like a wild animal, raining savage blows down on her from all angles, the strikes coming so fast it seemed as if he wielded a dozen blades at the same time. Zannah fell into a full retreat, desperately giving ground beneath the overwhelming assault.

Or defend like this:

'As the first fat drops splattered onto the patio stones around him, Bane exploded into action. Abandoning the overpowering style of Djem So, he shifted to the quicker sequences of Soresu, his lightsaber tracing tight circles above his head in a series of movements designed to intercept enemy blaster bolts.

The wind rose to a howling gale, and the scattered drops quickly became a downpour. His body and mind united as one, he channeled the infinite power of the Force against the driving rain. Tiny clouds of hissing steam formed as his blade picked off the descending drops while Bane twisted, twirled, and contorted his body to evade those few that managed to slip through his defenses.

For the next ten minutes he battled the pelting storm, reveling in the power of the dark side. And then, as suddenly as it had begun, the tempest was gone, the dark cloud scurrying away on the breeze. Breathing hard, Bane extinguished his lightsaber. His skin was sheened in sweat, but not a single drop of rain had touched his bare flesh.'

Hint: He cannot. 🙂

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
They were among the most powerful but not the most. You think that the world of Star Wars would remain the same with all the new developments?

New comers can be pretty badass. For example; (KOTOR) Sith Emperor, Darth Scourge, Darth Nihilus, Darth Malgus, Satele Shan, and Abeloth.

Of course, with passage of time we would learn more about Kao. However, your arguments are literally lame.

No, but again, its on you to argue that teh new-comers are up to scratch. So far you've been doing a pretty shitty job of it.

Yes they can be. But you actually have to prove it first.

I doubt we will. He is dead after all. And please, your past arguments have been a complete joke on these forums. This one is only slighty above that.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
We are not trading jokes with each other. Prove it that he can do that to even Count Dooku.

Again you seem to hold Dooku in low regard. How disturbing.

Originally posted by Rule of Two
'Bane thrust out with the Force, and a dozen of the oncoming creatures exploded into dust and tiny flecks of small, twisted metal.'

'That enemy vanquished, he used the Force to disintegrate two more advancing technobeasts, then felt something bump against his foot. '[/b]

Bane can disintergrate dozens of his opponents with the Force. Thats well above anything Malgus can hope to defend against.

Originally posted by Rule of Two
'Bane didn't take the time to revel in the fear of his fallen enemies. Before they even hit the ground he'd turned his attention to the third opponent, unleashing a storm of Sith lightning that reduced the riders to ash and the drexl into a hunk of charred and smoking flesh that dropped from the sky.'

Bane's Force Lightning can reduce humans to ash. Thats beyond anything Malgus canhope to defend against.

Theres also his destruction of the temple on Lehon and this nifty little passage:

Originally posted by Path of Destruction
"And therein lies the problem." Bane lashed out with the dark side, seizing Qordis in an immobilizing, crushing grip. His opponent tried to protect himself, throwing up a field to deflect the incoming assault, but Bane's attack tore through the pitiful defense, wiping it away as if it hadn't even been there.

Qordis was the Sith Master in charge of the academy on Korriban by the way. So he was obviously very powerful to be in charge of the place training the most powerful Sith they could find. Its not unprecidented for Bane to just rip through his opponents defences and kill them with ease.

Originally posted by ares834
Hey Neph, I agree with you but was wondering where Farfalla was called the Grandmaster? He was a Jedi Lord but I can't ever recall him being labeled as Grandmaster.

I'll look later, I can't be assed to look through the novel again.

Edit: According to Wookiepedia he assumed command of the Army of Light after Lord Hoth's death. That could be what I am thinking of.

You got this Neph.

@ Legend:

It's obvious you did not read the argument before responding to my post. I wasn't even talking about Malgus.

LOL@you got this. Easy to say when you constantly argue against the EU. I'm still trying to figure out if you guys are serious about Vader's chances against Malgus.

Maybe if people posted some things from the novels instead of relying on that trailer we could get illuminated on Malgus' apparant badassery.