Darth Malgus vs Sith

Started by SIDIOUS 6616 pages
Originally posted by Sith Sorcerer
LOL@you got this. Easy to say when you constantly argue against the EU. I'm still trying to figure out if you guys are serious about Vader's chances against Malgus.

And I'm still trying to figure out how anyone would put Malgus on the same level as Bane and Vader.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
And I'm still trying to figure out how anyone would put Malgus on the same level as Bane and Vader.
The fact that you don't differentiate between the levels of Bane and Vader says everything about your blatant bias. But hey, keep doing what you do when you try to dismiss a character you don't like, claim his opposition was weak!

How can we dislike a guy we barely know anything about?

Simple, he's not from the time period that you idolize. How do we put Bane and Vader on the same level?

I like The Old Republic though. I'm planning on playing it and want it to succeed.

I do not put them on the same level. Bane is superior to Vader, but Vader is still an high-tier Sith Lord in his own right.

Originally posted by Sith Sorcerer
The fact that you don't differentiate between the levels of Bane and Vader says everything about your blatant bias. But hey, keep doing what you do when you try to dismiss a character you don't like, claim his opposition was weak!

What the hell are you talking about? Who said I don't like him? As a matter of fact you're the one who made the claim that Malgus is above Vader and is on the same level as Bane, so prove up or shut up.

Don't worry, I found the ****ing quotes you lazy gits.

'A ROAR, heavy with hate and rage, pulled Aryn’s eyes skyward. Malgus descended like a meteor. His cape flew out behind and over him, a comma of darkness, and he held his lightsaber in a two-handed grip. Power went before him in a wave of visible distortion. The shuttle out of which he had leapt flew off into the night sky.

Aryn fell fully into the Force, raised her defenses, took a fighting stance, and parried Malgus’s two-handed overhand slash. Still, he landed in a cocoon of power, hitting the ground in an explosion of might that shattered the stones around them and turned them into a hail of shrapnel. Unflinching, Aryn deflected them with the Force as she parried another slash from Malgus. The force of the Sith’s blow made her arms quiver, but she gave no ground. Blades locked, sparking, their eyes met.

Malgus’s dark eyes burned with a rage that knifed through her. The anger he radiated was tangible to Aryn, made the air feel greasy, polluted. But she felt something else in it, something unexpected,
an odd ambivalence. “I know why you’ve come,” he said, his voice a hiss from behind his respirator.

She forced words between gritted teeth. “You killed Master Zallow.”

“And now I will kill you, too,” he said. “In the same place I killed him.” He leaned into his blade, pushed her back a step, and unleashed a Force-augmented kick at her ribs. But she was the quicker, and a flip sent her over his head and fifty meters away, deeper into the mountain of ruins where her Master had died. She landed in a crouch atop one of the broken columns sticking out of the rubble.

“You will find that difficult,” she called, and answered his anger with a wave of her own. “I assure you of that.”

Malgus gestured with his left hand, and the column she stood on began to shake. She leapt off it to another nearby, then another, then another, leapfrogging her way across the ruins, back toward Malgus.

When she landed atop a large chunk of stone ten meters from the Sith, he made a cutting gesture with his free hand and two pieces of statuary rose from the rubble and rushed toward her from either side. She leapt into the air and they smashed into each other eneath her, spraying shards of rock. She landed atop the remains, lightsaber ready.

Malgus growled, leapt through the air from his perch toward hers. She slid to the side of his downward slash and his blade split the stone at their feet. She unleashed a crosscut that would have decapitated him had he not ducked under it. She flipped up and over him onto another piece of rubble, fifteen meters away. Taking telekinetic hold of a large stone near Malgus, she flung it at him.

He never moved, simply held his ground and split the incoming rock in two with his lightsaber. Red sparks and bits of stone rained down

Aryn could not find her calm. She was fighting angry, but did not care. Snarling, thinking of her Master, she bounded across the hill of rubble, leaping from one chunk of rock to another, closing the distance with Malgus. He answered her charge with one of his own, the two of them jumping across the gravestones of the Jedi Order until they closed to within striking distance.

Aryn stabbed low and Malgus slapped her blade out wide, reversed his motion, and unleashed a backhand swing at her abdomen. She leapt over it, pulling her legs in tight, and loosed a two-handed overhead strike as she came back down. Malgus parried crosswise with his blade and stepped into a Force-augmented side kick aimed at her ribs. She caught the kick with her free hand, closed her arm over his leg, spun, and flung Malgus twenty meters from her. He flipped in midair and landed atop the cracked face of the Odan-Urr statue that had once lined the processional
approach into the Temple.

She took the hilt of Master Zallow’s lightsaber in her off hand, crouched, and bounded into a leap toward him. He watched her come and at the apex of the leap’s arc, he thrust his left hand
at her, roaring, and veins of Force lightning squirmed toward her.

Ready for it, she activated Master Zallow’s lightsaber, used it to form an X with her own, and intercepted the lightning on the two blades. His power met her will. The lightning twisted around the glowing blades. The force of it stopped her downward descent and held her aloft in the air for a moment, suspended on a column built of the dark side. And then she overcame it. The lightning dissipated to nothingness and she, unharmed by it, fell straight down, landing on her feet atop a shifting pile of rubble and deactivating Master Zallow’s blade.

The moment she landed, Malgus was upon her, his blade slashing, stabbing, spinning. He tried to use his superior strength to force her off the stone, off balance, but she answered his strength with speed, sidestepping his blows, leaping over them, parrying, unleashing her own flurries. The hum of their weapons through the air, the sizzle of crossed blades, merged into a single song of speed and power.'

ARYN AND MALGUS LOCKED BLADES.

“I am more than your match, Sith,” she said over the sparks of their joined lightsabers.

“Your Master was not,” Malgus said, grunting, and shoved her with a telekinetic blast of such force that she flew backward and slammed into the rock and rubble. She used the Force to cushion the impact, but she still landed on her back and the impact blew the breath from her lungs.

Malgus leapt high into the air, shouting with rage, his blade held high for a killing stroke. She rolled aside as he came down and his blade sank to its hilt in the rubble of the Temple. She leapt to her feet and unleashed a backhand crosscut at his throat. He got his blade free and vertical to parry it, but at the same time she pointed the blade end of Master Zallow’s lightsaber at Malgus and activated it. He must have sensed his danger at the last moment for he slid partially aside. Still, the green line of Master Zallow’s blade pierced his armor and side and elicited a snarl of pain and rage. Before Aryn could follow up, Malgus drove an open hand into the side of her face.

She was unready for the blow. The Force-augmented impact exploded a spark shower in her brain and sent her cartwheeling away from Malgus; she slammed into a rock and landed on her side ten meters away. Adrenaline pulled her to her feet, though she swayed unsteadily. She spat a mouthful of blood and held both lightsabers at the ready.

Malgus stood astride the ruins, his blade sizzling, eyeing the smoking hole in his armor, the furrow in his flesh. Seeing an opportunity, she did not hesitate.

Using the Force to guide it, she hurled Master Zallow’s lightsaber at Malgus. The blade cut a glittering green arc through the air as it spun end over end toward Malgus’s head.

Despite his wound, the Sith slapped aside Aryn’s Force-hold on the blade and snatched it out of the air, as quick as a sand viper. He deactivated the blade, held the hilt in his hand, studied it. He looked up and over at Aryn, his eyes burning. She imagined him smiling under his respirator.

“This weapon did not avail him and it will not avail you.”

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
What the hell are you talking about? Who said I don't like him? As a matter of fact you're the one who made the claim that Malgus is above Vader and is on the same level as Bane, so prove up or shut up.
You're the one who made the claim that Bane and Vader are both superior to Malgus, so prove up or shut up.. Furthermore, I never claimed he was on Bane's level, just that his feats are impressive enough to consider the possibility. Your only argument is "Vader has moar feats to his name therefore he wins!".

'He reached out with the Force as Razor continued its rise, tried to take it in his mental grasp. Its ascent slowed.

He held forth both of his arms, made claws of his hands, and shouted with frustration as he sought to hold back the power of the ship’s thrusters. He felt a tightness in his mind, the string of his power being drawn taut, stretching, stretching. He would not release the ship. Its thrusters began to whine. He held it, teeth gritted, sweat soaking his body, his breath a dry rattle through his respirator. And then the string snapped and the ship flew free, lifting clear of the roof doors.

He roared his rage as the ship’s engines fired and it headed for the heavens. Seething, he activated his wrist chrono.'

"She hefted her lightsaber, Master Zallow’s lightsaber, felt the weight of both in her hands. She fell into the lines of the Force, at peace, calm. Still heart. Still mind. She had trained in dual lightsaber combat when she had been a Padawan, but she rarely fought with two blades in a genuine combat situation. She would now, here, today. She thought it fitting that she do so.

She did not wait for Malgus. She bounded across the hangar, her speed augmented by the Force, the lines of her blades leaving a blur of light in their wake. Malgus held his ground, blade ready. She stabbed low with her primary blade, high with her secondary. Malgus leapt over both, flipped, landed behind her, and crosscut for her neck.

She ducked under it while spinning into a reverse leg sweep that caught his feet and tripped him. When he hit the ground, she rose, turned, raised both blades, and drove them down in a parallel overhand slash. Malgus somersaulted backward, and Aryn’s blades cut gashes in the floor of the hangar. Sparks flew.

Malgus bounced up from the somersault and loosed a telekinetic blast that lifted Aryn from her feet and blew her across the hangar. She slammed into one of the shuttle’s bulkheads, but used the Force to cushion the blow so that it did no harm. Bouncing off the cool metal, she charged Malgus. As she ran, she cast first her own lightsaber at Malgus, then Master Zallow’s, using the Force to guide both.

The attack caught Malgus unprepared,and Aryn’s blade bit into his armor. Sparks flew and Malgus winced, snarled with pain. He ducked under Master Zallow’s blade, and Aryn recalled both to her hands as she ran. The moment she had them, she cast them both at Malgus again.

But this time he was ready. Augmenting his speed with the Force, he flipped high into the air and out of the way of both. She anticipated his movement, however, bounded forward to cut him off and landed a flying kick in his chest.

He used the Force to diminish the blow’s impact but it drove him back a step and she heard his breath hitch through the sound of his respirator. He recovered, roared, raised his blade high to cut her in two, and brought it down. But she had already summoned her own blade back to her hand and interposed it in a parry. Malgus’s strength drove her to her knees. She held out her other hand and pulled Master Zallow’s blade to her hand, stabbed for his stomach with it.

Malgus sidestepped the stab, though it skinned his armor and showered sparks. He pushed her blade to the side with his own and kicked her in the face. The strength behind the blow blew through her defenses, caused her to see stars, loosed teeth, and sent her head over heels backward. She landed on her knees, stunned, seeing double. She rose, swayed on her feet, seeing four blades in her hands rather than two. Something was in her mouth and she spat it out—a tooth, the root forked and bloody.

“You are a child to hate,” Malgus said, his tone incongruously soft as he stalked toward her. “Your anger barely smolders. You are a fraction of what you could be.”

She needed time to recover her senses, some distance from Malgus. She backflipped high into the air and landed atop the Imperial shuttle. Her mind was beginning to clear.

“Your Master was also misguided. He thought to defeat me with calm, but failed. You thought to defeat me with anger, but carry too little, despite your loss.”

Aryn’s vision began to clear. She felt more herself.

“Be grateful for that, Jedi. Anger exacts its own price.”

Again she felt the odd sense of sympathy or pity adulterating the otherwise pure hate flowing from Malgus. His eyes went to Eleena, her body crumpled on the landing pad’s floor. As Aryn prepared to leap at Malgus, he held forth a hand, almost casually, and lightning sizzled through the space between them. Aryn interposed her lightsabers, but the power in the lightning exceeded anything she had felt from Malgus before. It blasted through her defenses and both lightsabers flew from her hands. The lightning seized her, lifted her up, and threw her from the top of the shuttle.

As she flew toward the deck, she smelled burning flesh, heard screaming, realized that it was her flesh, her screams. She hit the ground hard and her head bounced off the ground. Sparks erupted in her brain, pain, and everything went dark."

Thats all I can find. Nothing too impressiev imo.

Originally posted by Sith Sorcerer
You're the one who made the claim that Bane and Vader are both superior to Malgus, so prove up or shut up.. Furthermore, I never claimed he was on Bane's level, just that his feats are impressive enough to consider the possibility. Your only argument is "Vader has moar feats to his name therefore he wins!".

What feats of Malgus are impressive enough to consider it a possibility of him being on Bane's level? None of the evidents Legend posted puts him on Bane's level or Vader's level. Both Vader and Bane have more impressive feats, period. You can't make a claim that Malgus can defeat Vader unless you can back it up.

That's like me claiming to be a superior martial artist than Bruce Lee and expecting you to prove me wrong. That's not how it works.

50 meters? That's one hell of a front flip.

Perhaps Malgus can jump the Sith to death. Mario that shit bro.

No reply for 3 days?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well you used Kao as an example of Malgus being on the level of Vader and Bane. I'm simply replying to that argument.

You need to read novels featuring Malgus before you can judge him fairly.

Originally posted by Nephthys
'Too prominent Sith Lords?' You mean 1 Sith Lord and his apprentice. Theres no knowing how 'prominent' Vindican actually is. Or how he scales with regards to other 'prominent' Sith Lords of the mythos.

Another lame attempt by you to belittle them?

One was Darth Malgus (no ordinary being) and the other one was his Sith Master. While we know little about Vindican, the fact that he was a Sith Insquistor and Sith Master of Malgus indicates that he was not a weakling.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again, I'm not discussing Maul in this thread. Though if I was, I would not try to use his fight with Qui-Gon and Kenobi soley as a basis of his abilities. Visual evidence of skill is notoriously fallible. What is 'skilled' in terms of a live action fight is not comparable to what can be seen as 'skilled' in terms of an animated fight, or in a novel.

Feel, don't think.


What an illogical way to dismiss Maul's performance. The fact that he dueled two prominent Jedi simultaneously and overpowered both, is a testament to his impressive skills with the lightsaber.

Remember that his doppleganger or resurrected form gave Vader a very hard time? It showed that how skilled he was.

And Kao demonstrated greater skill and power in comparison to showings of Maul. The only difference is that Malgus even as an apprentice was far more powerful then Padawan Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well it does not disprove that he can breath in space or blow up planets with his dick either.

LOL 😄

Originally posted by Nephthys
That he was able to defeat them while 'badly injured' only proves that those jedi were mere weaklings.

And which mere weaklings performed a comparable feat to this one:

There, the Sith found a Zabrak Jedi and rushed to engage him, but was caught off guard when the Zabrak brought two duracrete buildings down upon him. Malgus used the Force to shield himself from the debris, focusing his anger to blast away the rubble before emerging to confront the Jedi in a lightsaber duel.

Think before you give a response.

The fact that Malgus managed to kill two Jedi while being badly injured indicates that he was very strong. He could use his strength in the Force to overcome the impact of his bodily injuries when he wanted to.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No. Please enlighten me. Because it seems from your exerpt that he was in well enough shape to still run around and lightsaber fight. So I doubt he was as debilitated as you are implying.

Check Star Wars Insider 124. He was in such a state that his soldiers adviced him not to engage in any battle. However, Malgus proved that he was a formidable foe even while being badly injured.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Theres not much that can be gleaned from that Wookiepedia summery. Those Jedi seem to be pretty crappy, but unless you can post the actual fight theres no way of knowing for certain imo.

I don't think that performing impressive TK based feats is a crappy showing. By your logic, TK based feats of Luke and Vader are crappy too.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Double Standards Ahoy!

Your attempts to belittle characters of SWTOR is a sign of double standards actually.

By the way, can you quote a single impressive feat of those two Jedi or any one of them?

Originally posted by Nephthys
'Even on the Count Dooku level'? What the ****? You know that Dooku is one of the most powerful and skilled Force users in the entire mythos right?

So? I can say the same about many other characters.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Though if you insist.:

Remember they were under the effects of Battle Meditation:

'It had been many years since Farfalla had fought while empowered by Worror's battle meditation. He had forgotten how much quicker and stronger the Ithorian's amazing talent made him feel. The Force flowed through him with greater power, filling him with its might. Yet even with their enhanced abilities, he wondered if they would survive the coming battle.'

Raskta Lsu:

'Master Raskta Lsu, an Echani, sat at the controls of her ship. She had the alabaster skin, pure white hair, and silver eyes common to all her species. She was almost as tall as Johun, with the muscles and physique one would expect in a species that valued physical combat as the highest form of art and personal expression. Named in honor of the legendary Echani warrior Raskta Fenni, acclaimed by many to be the greatest duelist of her time, Master Raskta had spent her life honing her martial skills so that she could one day equal, and even surpass, her namesake.

She had achieved the rare and prestigious rank of Jedi Weapons Master. Eschewing all other fields of study and forsaking the development of her other Force talents to focus exclusively on the lightsaber and combat, she had transformed herself into a living weapon.

Now tasked with training apprentices in the forms of lightsaber combat, Raskta had been part of the campaign on Ruusan. Wielding a blue-bladed lightsaber in each hand, and shunning any form of armor, she was a terrifying figure to behold on the battlefield. Johun vividly remembered her carving great swaths of destruction through the heart of the enemy ranks, leaving a litter of bodies in her wake. It was said that, by the end of the war, as many Sith Lords had fallen under her twin blades as had been killed by the thought bomb.'

'Raska's blue blades flickered too quickly for the eye to see, neutralizing her enemy's initial, wild attack then landing half a dozen lethal blows to his chest and abdomen. But instead of toppling, the big man kept coming, never even breaking stride. He would have plowed straight into Raskta, trampling her under his heavy boots, had she not cartwheeled to the side at the last possible instant.

'She seemed to be everywhere at once-in front of Bane, beside him, behind him, circling low, leaping to come in high, deflecting his blade with one of her own then stabbing three quick times in succession at his eyes. The big man's head ducked and bobbed, twisting and turning to avoid her blows as he tried to mount a counteroffensive.

Raskta's mastery of her blades was unparalleled, but even with her talents augmented by Worror's battle meditation she wasn't able to land a telling blow on such a small target through Bane's defenses. Still, the ferocity of her new strategy had turned the momentum in her favor ... or so Farfalla thought.'

'The young Jedi marveled at the speed and savagery of Raskta's blades. And while Johun's own clumsy efforts had actually seemed to impede Sarro when they fought side by side, Raskta appeared to thrive off his presence. When he went high, she went low. If he came from the left, she came from the right. It was partly a function of her choice of weapon: individually each of her lightsabers was more precise and accurate than Sarro's giant double blades. But it was more than that. Her reactions were so fast, her combat instincts so pure, that she was able to sense and anticipate what he was going to do even as it happened, then use his attacks to her own advantage.'

Farfalla, while less impressive, was still Grand Master of the Jedi Order, and a veteran of the war:

'On her opposite side Farfalla struck with clean, elegant blows, his form perfect as he harried Bane's right flank. Yet though they were able to hold their ground, they couldn't drive him back or defeat him.'


Thanks for sharing. No one is denying that Bane was powerful. He certainly was. And Lsu also seems to be skilled and prominent figure.

However, to complete this story;

Bane failed to defeat Lsu and made a smart decision by disrupting the BM of Master Worror. This made the Jedi team vulnerable and the two powerful Sith Lords took advantage. But Darth Zannah pulled off a cheap shot at Lsu to bring her down. The rest were no match for the Sith Lords and were cut down easily.

To be honest, again Bane failed to overcome another powerful opponent purely on the basis of his skills.

Try again.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh well **** you very much too.

Huh?

Originally posted by Nephthys
In your nightmares. 😉

Only in your mind.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As shinkoryu succintly put, Galen had to work very hard to win those fights, at several points almost losing.

'The apprentice fell back under the rain of blows. The sizzling of fabric and a faint stink of burning skin told him that at least two of Darth Vader's misses had been horribly near, but he felt no pain. He, on the other hand, had definitely struck a nerve.'


Well that puts some cap on the hype surrounding Galen's power. Still he managed to humiliate the Vader in the end and stood up to the Palpatine.

As far as the duel is concerned, do you expect powerful opponents to go down without a fight? Vader was not a weakling and he proved it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, since thats assuming that in 1000 the Sith always find an apprentice who can one day become more powerful than them. Bane did however, which is why he took Zannah as his apprentice.

Are you suggesting that Zannah is not an extremely powerful Sith Lord? When she was but a child she was capable to disintergrating her cousins hand and blocking a planet-wide Force Storm.


Zannah was strong in the Force but she was not more powerful then Bane. She gained upperhand over Bane through her sorcery.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He didn't fail to overpower him with his mastery of the Force. He did overpower him with his mastery of the Force. But Kas'im had specifically made it so that Bane didn't know how to fight against dual lightsabers, so when he split his doublebladed lightsaber Bane couldn't deal with it.

Plus you assume that Kas'im was unimpressive. He isn't. In fact he's widely regarded on this forum as possibly the most skilled lightsaber fighter in the mythos.


Kas'im managed to defend himself from the powerful force wave unleashed by Darth Bane. However, the force wave damaged the foundations of the ancient Temple and it collapsed over him.

And I never said that Kas'im was unimpressive. He was powerful and highly skilled. However, Bane failed to defeat him on fair basis.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If he's so blind that he can't sense a 200 lb Trooper hurtling towards him, or his precognative powers are so weak he can't sense that or a grenade 1 foot from his face then how do expect he can defeat Bane or Vader?

He was actually preoccupied with Satele Shan. Think before you give a response.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Pardon?

You will have to beg for it. 😄

Originally posted by Nephthys
Badass does not = Impressive enough to defeat Vader or Bane.

Malgus proved to be a badass by defeating several prominent opponents purely on the basis of his skills and power.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Good point. He was 'merely' 80. 🙄

And uh, thanks for proviing my point for me, I guess. Thats what I meant when I said 'limitations of live-action cinema.'


Again, the age of actor is irrelevant. We are concerned with Count Dooku and not the actor who portrayed him.

Count Dooku's showings on Geonosis were less impressive in comparison to those of Kao. Deal with this.

Originally posted by Nephthys
YouTube video

At 1.45 we can see Starkiller swinging a AT-ST cannon like a baseball bat and using it to destroy the walker. Now compare to this:

'He thought he was ready-and so the sheer severity of the opening blow took him by surprise.

A simple double stroke, up and then down, it contained enough power to jar his wrists and shoulders and very nearly disarm him completely. The collision of their lightsabers was blinding. He staggered backward and found himself at the center of a telekinetic storm. His Master seized on his momentary weakness and hurled missiles at him from all sides, hoping to keep him off his guard. For a moment, it worked.'

One strike from Vader was nearly enough to overpower him and caused him to stagger backwards. Theres no comparison. Vader is much stronger than Malgus by far.

(Also at 2.03 of the video we can see Starkiller cutting completely through an AT-ST.)


To be honest, the massive overhyping of Garen in the Force Unleashed does not impresses me. I judge him on the basis of his performance against prominent opponents of his time. He certainly was very powerful and he defeated Vader in a fair contest. I do not understand that how you consider this an impressive showing for Vader?

Garen was invented to uplift the image of Sidious and Vader with respect to the Expanded Universe. He was used as a D**k measuring contest.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As for Bane he is described as a 'mountain of muscle' and is likewise strong enough to tear lightsabers from others grip:

'Valenthyne recognized, processed, and reacted to this information in a fraction of a second, allowing him to adjust his own weapon's course just enough to block a strike that otherwise would have slipped along the edge of his blade and taken his arm off at the elbow. Even so, the strength behind the attack tore Farfalla's golden blade from his grip, sending his lightsaber skittering across the floor. Unarmed and helpless before his enemy, he was saved by Raskta.'


Malgus could cut down Jedi like canon-fodder and killed them with mere gestures.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Very pretty.

Try to understand its intended message.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Then we agree?

(You probably meant 'I highly doubt it.)


I do not agree. The engine would have been much heavier then those senate pods.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If only your doubts were acceptable evidence. Oh well.

No, you check it. You make a claim, you back it up.


You need to use common sense.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It was badass. But it was not up to the standards of some of the EU material. How for example is Malgus going to deal with Bane when he can attack like this:

She fell into a defensive posture as she so often had during their training sessions. But this was no drill, and her Master came at her with a speed and ferocity she had never faced before. Giving in to his orbalisk-fueled bloodrage, he was like a wild animal, raining savage blows down on her from all angles, the strikes coming so fast it seemed as if he wielded a dozen blades at the same time. Zannah fell into a full retreat, desperately giving ground beneath the overwhelming assault.


Malgus is physically far stronger then Zannah. He can augment his already impressive physical strength to a much higher degree with the Force. He cannot be overpowered like that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Or defend like this:

'As the first fat drops splattered onto the patio stones around him, Bane exploded into action. Abandoning the overpowering style of Djem So, he shifted to the quicker sequences of Soresu, his lightsaber tracing tight circles above his head in a series of movements designed to intercept enemy blaster bolts.

The wind rose to a howling gale, and the scattered drops quickly became a downpour. His body and mind united as one, he channeled the infinite power of the Force against the driving rain. Tiny clouds of hissing steam formed as his blade picked off the descending drops while Bane twisted, twirled, and contorted his body to evade those few that managed to slip through his defenses.

For the next ten minutes he battled the pelting storm, reveling in the power of the dark side. And then, as suddenly as it had begun, the tempest was gone, the dark cloud scurrying away on the breeze. Breathing hard, Bane extinguished his lightsaber. His skin was sheened in sweat, but not a single drop of rain had touched his bare flesh.'

Hint: He cannot. 🙂


Let me give you a hint:

Discarding his cloak, discarding the remaining restraints on his rage, Malgus joined the Sith charge, taking position before Adraas. Emotion fed his power, and its swell fairly lifted him from his feet. He felt the power of the dark side around him, within him.

Blaster bolts crisscrossed the battlefield from left and right as two platoons of Republic soldiers emerged from somewhere above and to the side and fired into the Sith ranks.

Malgus, nested deeply in the Force, perceived the dozens of bolts and their trajectory with perfect clarity. Without breaking stride he whipped his blade left, right, angled it ten degrees, and turned three bolts back on the soldiers who’d fired them, killing all three.

From Star Wars The Old Republic Deceived

Want more?

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, but again, its on you to argue that teh new-comers are up to scratch. So far you've been doing a pretty shitty job of it.

Yes they can be. But you actually have to prove it first.

I doubt we will. He is dead after all. And please, your past arguments have been a complete joke on these forums. This one is only slighty above that.


Keeping in mind your double-standards, you are hardly in the position to judge me.

By the way, Sith Emperor will be far more powerful then either Bane or Vader. His powers are rumored to be more refined then that of Darth Nihilus.

Do the math. And stop underestimating the newcomers. This is STAR WARS. Nothing ever remains the same in it.

You missed a bit. Right at the end.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Click (post).

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again you seem to hold Dooku in low regard. How disturbing.

No, I consider him as a benchmark to judge other powerful Jedi and Sith.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane can disintergrate dozens of his opponents with the Force. Thats well above anything Malgus can hope to defend against.

Really?

Malgus's performance in the Coruscant alone proves that he can hold his own against his opponents regardless of their numbers.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane's Force Lightning can reduce humans to ash. Thats beyond anything Malgus canhope to defend against.

Force lightning actually burns human flesh. The defences of an opponent can counter or reduce its effects.

Malgus's force lightning was potent enough to kill Jedi and Sith.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Theres also his destruction of the temple on Lehon and this nifty little passage:

Qordis was the Sith Master in charge of the academy on Korriban by the way. So he was obviously very powerful to be in charge of the place training the most powerful Sith they could find. Its not unprecidented for Bane to just rip through his opponents defences and kill them with ease.


Here:

As Aryn prepared to leap at Malgus, he held forth a hand, almost casually, and lightning sizzled through the space between them. Aryn interposed her lightsabers, but the power in the lightning exceeded anything she had felt from Malgus before. It blasted through her defenses and both lightsabers flew from her hands. The lightning seized her, lifted her up, and threw her from the top of the shuttle.
As she flew toward the deck, she smelled burning flesh, heard screaming, realized that it was her flesh, her screams. She hit the ground hard and her head bounced off the ground. Sparks erupted in her brain, pain, and everything went dark

Aryn proved to be a skilled combatant. She stood up to Malgus multiple times and lasted much longer then her Jedi Master.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You missed a bit. Right at the end.

Click (post).


I read it all.

By all means, Aryn proved to be a very skilled Jedi. She possibly exceeded expectations of her Jedi Master.

Also, another showing of Malgus:

Adraas scoffed. “I have hidden my true power from you, Malgus. It is you who will not leave here.”

“Then show me your power,” Malgus said, sneering.
Adraas snarled and held forth his left hand. Force lightning crackled from his fingertips, filled the space between them.

Malgus interposed his lightsaber, drew the lightning to it, and started walking toward Adraas. The power swirled around the red blade, sizzling, crackling, pushed against Malgus, but he strode through it. The skin of his hands blistered but Malgus endured the pain, paid it as the price of his cause.

As he walked, he spun his blade in an arc above his head, gathering the lightning, then flung it back at Adraas. It slammed into his chest, lifted him bodily from the ground, and threw him hard against the far well.
“Is that your power?” Malgus asked, still advancing, cloaked in rage. “That is what you wished to show me?”

Adraas climbed to his feet, his armor charred and smoking. A snarl split his face.

Adraas is that impressive masked Sith Lord shown in the Deceived trailer. He was leading those sith warriors.

Also, Malgus killed him with his bare hands. Now speak.

Thats it! Thats all I can stands, I can't stands no more!

Tonight. You.