Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Excellent points.Here is another one.
Sidious doesn't appear to know Lord Vitiate's special Force lightning Storm either which was purplish in color and was considerably more devastating then the versions we saw in the movies.
Not a very good point considering we see Palpatine atually incernate other people with his lightning. The only resonable conclusion is he was holding back his full power in the movies.
Originally posted by ares834
Not a very good point considering we see Palpatine atually incernate other people with his lightning. The only resonable conclusion is he was holding back his full power in the movies.
Lord Vitiate's Force lightning is entirely different from that of the Darth Sidious. Even the color of his Force lightning is entirely different.
Lord Nyriss's special Force lightning could also incinerate very powerful individuals with contact. Something far deadlier then what Count Dooku has demonstrated. Yet Revan absorbed and deflected it back at her. In comparison, Yoda was finding much harder to absorb the Force lightning of ROTS Sidious, which was also less deadlier then that of Lord Nyriss.
However;
A dozen bolts of purple lightning arced from the Emperor toward him. Revan tried to draw them in and contain them, but the Emperor was infinitely more powerful than Darth Nyriss had ever been.
Revan's flesh began to melt. There was too much power in the Force attacks of Lord Vitiate.
Also, Sidious was trying hard to electorcute ROTJ Luke. Watch his video again.
Lord Vitiate would have reduced both Vader and ROTJ Luke to charred ash with his devastating Force Lightning Storm quickly.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Lord Vitiate's Force lightning is different from that of the Darth Sidious. Even the color of his lightning is entirely different.Lord Nyriss's Force lightning could also incinerate powerful individuals with contact. Something far deadlier then what Count Dooku has demonstrated. Yet Revan absorbed and deflected it back at her.
What does the power of Dooku's lightning have to do with Sidious?
However;A dozen bolts of purple lightning arced from the Emperor toward him. Revan tried to draw them in and contain them, but the Emperor was infinitely more powerful than Darth Nyriss had ever been.
There was too much power in the Force attacks of Lord Vitiate.
And yet, the power didn't reduce Revan to ash hell it doesn't even kill him. Meanwhile Sidious's does kill Vader after a rather short time a character who according to TFU is quite capable of taking vast amounts of lightning relatively unharmed.
Also, Sidious was trying hard to electorcute ROTJ Luke. Watch his video again.
Lol. Palpatine is torturing Luke. In fact, the RotJ novel claims his lightning intesifies at times... And when we take the EU into consideration in which Sidious is shown to burn down an entire legion of Stormies with a single burst on incinerate three dark Jedi it's quite clear he was not using the full breath of his power.
Originally posted by ares834
What does the power of Dooku's lightning have to do with Sidious?
Originally posted by ares834
And yet, the power didn't reduce Revan to ash hell it doesn't even kill him.
Originally posted by ares834
Meanwhile Sidious's does kill Vader after a rather short time a character who according to TFU is quite capable of taking vast amounts of lightning relatively unharmed.
Originally posted by ares834
Lol. Palpatine is torturing Luke. In fact, the RotJ novel claims his lightning intesifies at times... And when we take the EU into consideration in which Sidious is shown to burn down an entire legion of Stormies with a single burst on incinerate three dark Jedi it's quite clear he was not using the full breath of his power.
However, he also says after a while; and now you will die. He was serious at that time.
And don't give me that three Dark Jedi crap.
Lord Nyriss's special Force lightining was capable of incinerating both Lord Scourge and Jedi Exile simultaneously. Even herself regardless of his very fine defensive abilities. And Emperor's Force lightning was considerably more powerful.
Originally posted by Nephthys
For a comparison Vader was able to withstand Starkillers lightning, which was powerful enough to destroy an AT-AT, and yet Sidious' lightning easily killed him. I believe thats what you were talking about ares?
Also, Sidious's lightning did not killed him. He willingly sacrified himself.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What is so special about Sidious's Force lightning? Don't give me the comment of him reducing a few opponents to charred ash because Lord Nyriss was capable of doing the same.
Cool. And yet Vitiate's lightning did not.
Because, Revan's defensive abilities were EXCELLENT. But he got burned badly and he would have died if T3 had not stepped in. Do the math.
Intresting... I did not realize he was still holding back the Emperor's lightning when he was writhing on the floor whith his mask fusing to his face. That's a mighty fine pain tolerance there.
Galen's Force lightning abilities are nothing unique. Vader dies because his mechanical parts get electrocuted. There is no comparison between what Sidious demonstrates and what Lord Vitiate demonstrates.
Yep, Palps is better. Also Vader has insulation in his armor to protect him from lightning which would make him more resistant than a human. Furthermore, Starkiller has some insane lightning feats like when he deactivates an AT-AT. (Thanks Neph)
Yes, he is torturing Luke.However, he also says after a while; and now you will die. He was serious at that time.
I didn't realize "And now you will die" meant "you will die this instant".
And don't give me that three Dark Jedi crap.Lord Nyriss's special Force lightining was capable of incinerating both Lord Scourge and Jedi Exile simultaneously. Even herself regardless of his very fine defensive abilities.
Hmm... I must have miss read the book as I could swear Scourge and the Exile were no incinerated and survived their encounter with Nyriss. Also where did Nyriss demonstrate these "very fine defensive abilities".
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
One of us misread or mistyped, because that quote {about Sidious knowing every technique} wasn't brought up or defended by me in this thread. What was brought up was Brand's declaration that the Force and all the Jedi who came before Luke would kept Sidious trapped in limbo.[b]That quote has as much validity as the one that stated Palpatine knew everything. That's been proven to be erroneous at best, stupidity at worse.
^ This was your original remark at the bottom of page 3. In it, you compare the validity of the quote I used {about the Force and all the Jedi keeping Sidious in limbo} to the one about Sidious being believed to have mastered every technique.I've never claimed that you mentioned it in this thread. I simply stated that you have used it in the past. As to how this particular quote could be invalid, how exactly does Brand know? Did every single Jedi in the history of the order talk to him in that instant he died? Did he have some kind of epiphany? It's not believable in any way.Hence my question: How is the quote about the Force and Jedi invalid? [/B]
Originally posted by ares834
Cool. And yet Vitiate's lightning did not.
Originally posted by ares834
Intresting... I did not realize he was still holding back the Emperor's lightning when he was writhing on the floor whith his mask fusing to his face. That's a mighty fine pain tolerance there.
Originally posted by ares834
Yep, Palps is better. Also Vader has insulation in his armor to protect him from lightning which would make him more resistant than a human. Furthermore, Starkiller has some insane lightning feats like when he deactivates an AT-AT. (Thanks Neph
And electrocuting machines it not a big deal with electric discharges. Try it out in real life and you will know what I am saying. Machines are immensely vulnerable to effects of electrocution.
Originally posted by ares834
I didn't realize "And now you will die" meant "you will die this instant".
Originally posted by ares834
Hmm... I must have miss read the book as I could swear Scourge and the Exile were no incinerated and survived their encounter with Nyriss.
Revan saved them, genius.
Originally posted by ares834
Also where did Nyriss demonstrate these "very fine defensive abilities".
DS
I've never claimed that you mentioned it in this thread. I simply stated that you have used it in the past.
If the quote was never addressed here and you didn't take issue with the quote that was until just now, what was the point of your remark?
DS
As to how this particular quote could be invalid, how exactly does Brand know? Did every single Jedi in the history of the order talk to him in that instant he died? Did he have some kind of epiphany? It's not believable in any way.
No clue, but I figured since the child was offering unconfirmed third party accounts, so would I.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
If the quote was never addressed here and you didn't take issue with the quote that was until just now, what was the point of your remark?
That quote has as much validity as the one that stated Palpatine knew everything. That's been proven to be erroneous at best, stupidity at worse.
Meaning you take some quotes at face value and vehemently debate others, all according to your bias. Please, stop making this so easy.
No clue, but I figured since the child was offering unconfirmed third party accounts, so would I. [/B]
Except it's expected from some while others should be held to a higher standard.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
This is the best way to educate the child that his cause is lost. He'll fail on either terms.
Unless a contradictory account comes in to the picture, you have no argument. Till then Lord Nyriss's statements are canonical and valid.
Just because Kriea was in to hyperboles, it does not proves that others are in to them as well. Different people have different personalities.
This is the crux of the whole argument.