Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Answer my question. What is so special about Sidious's Force lighting? Darth Bane was equally proficient in its use. Even Revan is claimed to have performed Force Lightning Storm, which is its greatest form.
Palpatine has killed vast amounts of stormtroopers, incinerated three dark jedi powerful enough to ressurect Maul, incinerated a Syth Worm, etc... And yes Bane may rival him with lightning and I would say the Emperor does as well, however Revan has yet to do so unless you consider the idea that he bolstered Nyriss's lightning.
Because you have no idea how much power was behind that Force Lightning Storm. 12 purplish and incredibly hot bolts had struck Revan simultaneously. And Lord Vitiate was channelling more and more power in to them. No one could have survived such power.
I never once denied that it wouldn't kill Revan I only said that it didn't.
Palp's is better then that of Galen. However, Palp's have been rivalled by other Sith Lords in intensity and power.
Never said otherwise.
And electrocuting machines it not a big deal with electric discharges. Try it out in real life and you will know what I am saying. Machines are immensely vulnerable to effects of electrocution.
We are also incapable of producing technology at the level the SW verse is meaning to compare our to theirs is faulty logic. Furthermore, in TFU 2 novel it's claims that Vader has insulation to protect him from the effects of electricity.
Watch his video. His face expression was showing that he doing his best after he stated that Luke will die. When Vader touched him, he got electrocuted.
His face expressions show no such thing. All he is doing is snarling in rage. Hell, Luke isn't even illuminated (we don't see his skeleton like Windu and Vader) meaning it's quite clear that this isn't Palp's full power.
Don't come up with bullshit comments like these. I expect better from you at least.Revan saved them, genius.
Then don't say it was capable of it because quite simply we don't know if it is.
She demonstrated the ability to counter Force attacks from her opponents with her own. Scourge realized that he was no match for her in combat. She alone put the Sith Trimuvirate to shame in her duel against Lord Scourge and Jedi Exile simultaneously.
Where are these "very fine defensive capabilties" shown? You failed to adress my question completely.
Originally posted by ares834
Palpatine has killed vast amounts of stormtroopers,
Lord Nyriss confronted two guards before she met Lord Scourge and Jedi Exile. Both of them were instantly reduced to charred corpses by her Force lightning attack.
Originally posted by ares834
incinerated three dark jedi powerful enough to ressurect Maul,
Originally posted by ares834
incinerated a Syth Worm,
Originally posted by ares834
etc... And yes Bane may rival him wiht lightning however I would say the Emperor does as well, however Revan has yet to do so unless you consider the idea that he bolstered Nyriss's lightning.
Originally posted by ares834
I never once denied that it wouldn't kill Revan I only said that it didn't.
Originally posted by ares834
Never said otherwise.
Originally posted by ares834
We are also incapable of producing technology at the level the SW verse is meaning to compare our to theirs is faulty logic.
Have a look at what a single bolt of raw lightning can do to machinery:
http://de.acidcow.com/pics/20100813/lightning_strikes_car_02.jpg
Originally posted by ares834
Furthermore, in TFU 2 novel it's claims that Vader has insulation to protect him from the effects of electricity.
Originally posted by ares834
His face expressions show no such thing. All he is doing is snarling in rage. Hell, Luke isn't even illuminated (we don't see his skeleton like Windu and Vader) meaning it's quite clear that this isn't Palp's full power.
Originally posted by ares834
Then don't say it was capable of it because quite simply we don't know if it is.
Originally posted by ares834
Wear are these "very fine defensive capabilties" shown? You failed to adress my question completely.
Nyriss seized on the opportunity to focus all her efforts on breaking through Meetra's defenses. The Jedi was clearly overmatched; though she managed to hold her ground, she was forced down to one knee.
In the awkward position her right flank was exposed, and Nyriss brought her blade in to deliver a crippling cut. At the same time, Scourge lashed out with the Force, catching Nyriss flush in the center of her chest. An ordinary foe would have been thrown clear across the room, but Nyriss instinctively threw up a Force barrier to protect herself, absorbing and redirecting the brunt of the impact. Even so, Scourge's attack knocked her off balance just enough to send her lightsaber wide of the mark, giving Meetra the opportunity she needed to scramble away to safety.
Scourge rushed forward, hoping to drive Nyriss back into a corner, but she met his charge with an invisible wave of rippling energy. It picked Scourge up and tossed him head-over-heels, sending him crashing to the wall.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No big deal. Any Sith Lord proficient in the use of Force lightning could have done the same.
Really? Then you won't mind giving me an example where another Sith Lord killed around thirty men with a single blast of lightning.
That was a ritual, genius. Again prove that they were as powerful as Lord Scourge and Jedi Exile.
What was a ritual? Regardless, they ressurected Darth Maul an impressive feat. And no I'm not going to prove they are as strong as Scourge or the Exile as I never said they were.
Big deal? Another defenceless creature. I am willing to place my bets on the tolerance capabilities of a powerful Jedi and Sith in comparison.
How about you prove it instead.
Emperor surpassed both of them. His Force lightning is special. It has different color. He can extend it to extreme levels. We don't know exactly how much.
Ohh. Purple lightning... lulz. That really doesn't mean jack shit regardless, Sidious's lightning is purple in TFU.
And your point is? T3 stepped in to save him. Revan was no less then Master Yoda in absorbing the effects of Force Lightning attacks. Infact better then him in this regard.
Proove that he is better than Yoda.
Lord Vitiate's Force lightning is deadliest yet seen.
You haven't proved this yet. Hell, it didn't even instantly kill Revan when it struck him.
This is faulty logic actually. My point is that machinery is vulnerable to raw electric power.
How is it faulty. You are comparing our tech to theirs while SW Tech is far superior to our in almost every regard.
Vader certainly had some defensive abilities. However, was still vulnerable to powerful Force lightning attacks. Sidious proved this.
DId you ignore what I just posted? TFU 2 directly states he has insulation that protects him from the effects of electricity!
Then why he says that now you will die? Was he joking?
No. He was killing him. However, that doesn't preclude the possabilty that he was taking his time.
It actually was.
The prove it.
Here is one:
So blocking a force push that would have kocked her across the room means she has "very fine defensive capabilties"... Lol. I guess that random guard that Revan pushed must have had extrordinary defensive abilties.
Originally posted by ares834
Really? Then you won't mind giving me an example where another Sith Lord killed around thirty men with a single blast of lightning.
Originally posted by ares834
What was a ritual? Regardless, they ressurected Darth Maul an impressive feat. And no I'm not going to prove they are as strong as Scourge or the Exile as I never said they were.
Originally posted by ares834
How about you prove it instead.
Originally posted by ares834
Ohh. Purple lightning... lulz. That really doesn't mean jack shit regardless, Sidious's lightning is purple in TFU.
Originally posted by ares834
Proove that he is better than Yoda.
Lord Nyriss's Force lightning was definitely more powerful then the Force Lightning attacks of Sidious shown in the movies. His Force lightning attacks never managed to reduce any powerful Jedi to ash. Lord Nyriss's was capable of doing this. And yet Revan effortlessely blocked her lethal Force lightning attack which also comprised of 12 bolts. In comparison, Yoda struggled to contain the effects of Force lightning attacks of ROTS Sidious. Do the math.
Originally posted by ares834
You haven't proved this yet. Hell, it didn't even instantly kill Revan when it struck him.
Originally posted by ares834
How is it faulty. You are comparing our tech to theirs while SW Tech is far superior to our in almost every regard.
Originally posted by ares834
DId you ignore what I just posted? TFU 2 directly states he has insulation that protects him from the effects of electricity!
Originally posted by ares834
No. He was killing him. However, that doesn't preclude the possabilty that he was taking his time.
Originally posted by ares834
The prove it.
Originally posted by ares834
So blocking a force push that would have kocked her across the room means she has "very fine defensive capabilties"... Lol.
She was focusing on Jedi Exile at that moment. The Force attack of Lord Scourge came completely unexpected. And yet she managed to throw a decent defence in the process, which absorbed the main brunt of that Force power. Try to grasp her situation and what she does under such circumstances.
Originally posted by ares834
I guess that random guard that Revan pushed must have had extrordinary defensive abilties.
Got bored. 😬
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No need. Use your brain.
Your response to him asking for proof is 'use your brain?' What if we all did that, that would make arguments so much easier.
When someone asks you a question its a good idea to respond, even if its 'No ares, I'm talking shit. You are right, that is an extremely impressive display of power.'
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Now put this thing in your mind; Lord Nyriss was so proficient in the use of Force lightning that she capable of exterminating both Jedi Exile and Lord Scourge simultaneously. She herself could no tolerate her own lethal blasts of Force lightning. If Revan could effortlessely block this kind of power with bare hands, he can do so very easily against Darth Sidious and Darth Bane.
"Nyriss's eyes went wide as Revan unleashed the power of her own attack against her." {pg. 248}
He did not block it, he absorbed it.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Use your brain. The ability to use the Force is what actually makes all the difference.
No it doesn't. Cite the source that claims that being powerful with the Force increases your ability to withstand lightning.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is indication of different level of energies. Sidious's Lightning is not exactly purplish. It radiates blue sparks.
Whats you source that Force Lightning being purple means its more powerful? Or are you just making that up?
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Count Dooku's Force lightning is shit in comparison to that of Lord Nyriss. Yoda stopped that of Count Dooku's perfectly.Lord Nyriss's Force lightning was definitely more powerful then the Force Lightning attacks of Sidious shown in the movies. His Force lightning attacks never managed to reduce any powerful Jedi to ash. Lord Nyriss's was capable of doing this. And yet Revan effortlessely blocked her lethal Force lightning attack which also comprised of 12 bolts. In comparison, Yoda struggled to contain the effects of Force lightning attacks of ROTS Sidious. Do the math.
You're making unfounded assertions again. Sidious' Lightning at the time was enough to reduce creatures to ash. Since you havn't proven at all that its more impressive to do that to a powerful Force sensitive, you cannot make the claim that her lightning was more impressive than his.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Because Revan had exceptional defensive capabilities. See the comparsion above. Revan has greater command of the Force then Darth Nihilus as per belief of Jedi Exile herself. He was the most powerful Jedi in the Jedi Order of his time. He is easily top 5 material. You think that he would not last a few minutes?
The Exile was a Revan fangirl. Her opinion means very little.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And yet that technology is not lightning-proof. Use common sense.
Its a ****ing AT-AT. Not only is it the pinnacle of the Empires ground based military but its massive. That Galen was able to stop it with a casual blast of lightning (and then topple it with a force push) is incredibly impressive.
By your own image, a bolt of lightning was only enough to slightly damage the back of a car. Can you imagine how much more powerful Starkillers lightning would have to be to overwhelm a 20 meter tall metal behemoth comprising of technology lightyears ahead of our own? Past your incredible bias of course.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So what? Lethal Force lightning attacks would still destroy him. Vader is not invincible. Not even close. And neither he can do what Revan could.
Wrong. Starkiller has killed with his lightning, so it is lethal and yet his lightning barely affected Vader. Sidious killed him with a short 3 second burst.
Do the math.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He had tortured him already. After he felt that he had weakened the defenses of Luke, he made that statement and unleashed strongest barrage of his Lightning comprising of 3 to 4 bolts at least to kill him. But Vader stepped in.
Bullshit. He was slowly torturing him to death. He wanted to make it as slow and agonising as possible. That does not prove that he can't kill with his lightning. You are so full of shit.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Was she sent flying accross the room? 🙄 Hello? Hello? Can you read?
Can you? Was that what he said? Maybe you should read a bit more. Take it word for word. Slowly, like a child. It must be hard for you to understand a foreign language. Theres no shame in needing help.
The clear implication of his point was that all she did was block a fairly weak force push that would have done no more than send her across the room. Unimpressive, and no exactly 'very fine.' 😉
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
She was focusing on Jedi Exile at that moment. The Force attack of Lord Scourge came completely unexpected. And yet she managed to throw a decent defence in the process, which absorbed the main brunt of that Force power. Try to grasp her situation and what she does under such circumstances.
She has quick reflexes. That is all that proves.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Your response to him asking for proof is 'use your brain?' What if we all did that, that would make arguments so much easier.When someone asks you a question its a good idea to respond, even if its 'No ares, I'm talking shit. You are right, that is an extremely impressive display of power.'
Originally posted by Nephthys
"Nyriss's eyes went wide as Revan unleashed the power of her own attack against her." {pg. 248}He did not block it, he absorbed it.
A dozen bolts of lightning sprang from Nyriss’s hand, arcing across the room to incinerate her enemies. Instead of leaping back into the cell to avoid the deadly attack, Revan stepped forward to intercept it. Both hands were held in front of him, his arms fully extended at shoulder height, his thumbs touching and his fingers splayed wide. He drew the bolts of lightning into his waiting grasp, channeling them away from their intended targets and absorbing their power.
He actually uses his bare hands to absorb and deflect.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No it doesn't. Cite the source that claims that being powerful with the Force increases your ability to withstand lightning.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Whats you source that Force Lightning being purple means its more powerful? Or are you just making that up?
Originally posted by Nephthys
YouTube video7.06
Originally posted by Nephthys
You're making unfounded assertions again. Sidious' Lightning at the time was enough to reduce creatures to ash. Since you havn't proven at all that its more impressive to do that to a powerful Force sensitive, you cannot make the claim that her lightning was more impressive than his.
Sidious's Force lightning failed to reduce any powerful Jedi to ash. Nyriss's Force lightning was capable of doing it easily. This is the difference.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The Exile was a Revan fangirl. Her opinion means very little.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its a ****ing AT-AT. Not only is it the pinnacle of the Empires ground based military but its massive. That Galen was able to stop it with a casual blast of lightning (and then topple it with a force push) is incredibly impressive.
However, AT-AT is a machine. And machines are easier to destroy with the raw power of lightning. Try to understand. The fact that Vader tolerated his Force lightning demonstrates that it all depends upon the defensive abilities installed in his mechanical parts and he being a Force-user, capable of using the Force to shield himself to a certain degree.
Originally posted by Nephthys
By your own image, a bolt of lightning was only enough to slightly damage the back of a car. Can you imagine how much more powerful Starkillers lightning would have to be to overwhelm a 20 meter tall metal behemoth comprising of technology lightyears ahead of our own? Past your incredible bias of course.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Wrong. Starkiller has killed with his lightning, so it is lethal and yet his lightning barely affected Vader. Sidious killed him with a short 3 second burst.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Do the math.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bullshit. He was slowly torturing him to death. He wanted to make it as slow and agonising as possible. That does not prove that he can't kill with his lightning. You are so full of shit.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Can you? Was that what he said? Maybe you should read a bit more. Take it word for word. Slowly, like a child. It must be hard for you to understand a foreign language. Theres no shame in needing help.The clear implication of his point was that all she did was block a fairly weak force push that would have done no more than send her across the room. Unimpressive, and no exactly 'very fine.' 😉
Originally posted by Nephthys
She has quick reflexes. That is all that proves.
Originally posted by ares834
Thanks Neph.👆
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I've always been all for the old timey Jedi and Sith being more powerful, but there's something so vexing about it now that all the characters are pretty much two-dimensional simps written for a buck.
We see Galen blocking Sidious's Force lightning with bare hands.
As per novelization, he actually does this. However, the event has much more in to it then what is shown in the gameplay:
A squadron of stormtroopers ran into the room, led by a limping Darth Vader. They raised their blasters to gun down the Rebels as they fled up the Rogue Shadow's ramp.
"No!" the apprentice cried, dropping his defenses to strike one last time at the Imperials. Energy surged through him. He felt as though a star had blazed to life in his chest. Driven by concern for his friends rather than himself, he embraced the Force completely, utterly, and was rewarded with strength that made his efforts with the dark side look like those of a child. His nerves were on fire. Streamers of light radiated from his skin. His bones glowed like radiant lava.
He saw rather than felt the massive shock wave that consumed a large portion of what remained of the observation dome. A glowing bubble of fire tore the stormtroopers to shreds and engulfed Vader and the Emperor. Shrapnel filled the air like dust caught in the beam of the Death Star's powerful laser.
Tossed like a leaf, the Rogue Shadow fled in haste, ramp snapping shut on its precious cargo.
The apprentice felt himself leaving his body again. Or was his body leaving him this time? He felt ripped apart by the energy that had flowed through him. Every cell was in shock; every fiber shook. The fire on his face possessed no heat at all. His limbs felt as distant as the farthest arms of the galaxy. He was amazed there was enough left of him to think at all.
Source: TFU Novel
Galen lets his guard down while he is absorbing the effects of Force lightning from Darth Sidious. A very SILLY move but he has decided to sacrifice himself.
He performs a Force attack simultaneously while he is also holding Sidious.
Afterwards, Galen unleashes a blast of energy which sends him and Sidious flying in different directions. Galen actually sacrificed himself to save his friends.
See the difference between intended message of gameplay and novel? Gameplay mechanics are never trustworthy sources.
@ The above is for you to; Neph.
