ROTS Sidious vs. Lord Vitiate

We all knew that this was coming.
1) Force
2) Sabers
3) All Out
Scenario: Shortly after the formation of the Empire a time vortex sucks Lord Vitiate into a portal. After gaining his bearings he decides to become the new Emperor. This battle happens in the Grand Convocation chamber.

1. Vitiate
2. Sidious maybe*
3. Vitiate

*We don't know much about Vitiate' dueling abilities.

Yea we do. He's never lifted any kind of blade as far as his known history goes. He's a scholar, not a warrior.

DS is right. This is the guy who walked onto a lightsaber remember.

He clearly never needed a saber in 1,400 years to win a fight.

Yeah, the Sith Empire was completely pussy-whipped.

Dr McBeefington
He's a scholar, not a warrior.

I'd submit that Sidious is best described that way as well, but he's still capable enough to outright slaughter some of the Jedi order's finest warriors. Technically, SW_LeGenD is correct: we don't know, though I understand why, because of the substantiation Sidious enjoys in the lightsaber feat department, you'd be inclined to side with him.

No, we do know, or at least logically suspect. There has never been any mention of Vitiate ever picking up a blade at any point of his life. All that's mentioned was his ability to overcome everyone with the force.

Dr McBeefington
No, we do know, or at least logically suspect.

Yes to the latter, no to the former. Sidious's greater substantiation doesn't necessarily make him the more skilled duelist, particularly when he, like Vitiate, is best described as a scholar first and warrior second. But I agree that there's pretty much no way to argue that Vitiate is the more seasoned lightsaber combatant.

During second confrontation with Revan, Vitiate picked up his blade and attempted to kill him with it. However, Meetra knocked it out of his hand with Saber Throw technique.

A very formal way of saying 'saber throw'. Capitalized and all.

Lord Lucien
A very formal way of saying 'saber throw'. Capitalized and all.

And yet somehow his post is entirely unsophisticated. Go figure, eh?

I would go ahead and say.
1. Vitiate 6/10
2. Sidious 10/10 (Vitiate lacks feats)
3. Sidious 6/10

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I would go ahead and say.
1. Vitiate 6/10
2. Sidious 10/10 (Vitiate lacks feats)
3. Sidious 6/10

This incarnation of Sidious stands no chance against Vitiate in 1 and 3.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dude, seriously?

This incarnation of Sidious stands no chance against Vitiate in 1 and 3.

Considering Revan fought on par with him I don't see why not? Sidious can counter his lightning with his sabers or his bear hands, and has show the Force Speed to blitz 3 Jedi Masters.
Vitiate does not get prep in this case.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Considering Revan fought on par with him I don't see why not?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Sidious can counter his lightning with his sabers or his bear hands,

He overpowered 4 powerful Jedi with it:

YouTube video

And turned all of them into his mental slaves.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
and has show the Force Speed to blitz 3 Jedi Masters.
Vitiate does not get prep in this case.

Bring in Luke Skywalker and then you have a fight.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
From where did you get this funny idea? There is no stopping to Force Storm from Lord Vitiate.

Didn't Revan stop 'to' Force Storm from Lord Vitiate though?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Didn't Revan stop 'to' Force Storm from Lord Vitiate though?

Revan should have attempted to deflect it instead. Don't know what would have been the result with this strategy though.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Considering Revan fought on par with him I don't see why not? Sidious can counter his lightning with his sabers or his bear hands, and has show the Force Speed to blitz 3 Jedi Masters.
Vitiate does not get prep in this case.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan drew all of that power into himself which was a mistake. Granted that he (Revan) had exceptional command of Tutaminis but it backfired in this case.

Revan should have attempted to deflect it instead. Don't know what would have been the result with this strategy though.

The attack is described as "infinitely more powerful than Nyriss'". While there's some obvious hyperbole there, the intention of the narration is to stress that the Sith Emperor is in a whole 'nother ballpark from even Revan. And Revan's feat against Nyriss certainly rivals anything we see from Yoda or Sidious in the prequels. I don't see RotS Sidious succeeding where Revan failed.