Originally posted by Nephthys
So where does the 'Palpatine and Plagueis had to keep the Force itself from killing them in return from unbalancing it' part come in?
They anticipated the Force to react by inciting their own midichlorians against them, boiling their blood or stop the beating of their hearts.
The amount of reaching is humorous. "OMG they fought back the force they win!!"
Lightsnake beat me to it. But yes it is relevant in a fight with Vitiate. Palpatine has a strong will and would likely resist Vitiate's mind manipulations.
Likely resist? That's as baseless as me saying he'd get shitcanned.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Gee, having the will and power to tip the balance of existence towards darkness?Not relevant
No, because if that was relevant, they would have defeated everybody they ever faced with no degree of difficulty. Not relevant at all.
Sorry. He will resist it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Did it react at all?
Based on the description that Plagueis and Sidious "waged an etheric war" and that the effort required "months of intense meditation", I'd say yes. But no specifics are given and once they "asserted their sovereignty over the Force", "no counterforce had risen against them."
McBeefington
Sure, in the afterlife.
I'm genuinely curious and I'd encourage you to not get pissy and provide an answer that minimizes defensiveness.
But what's your deal with Vitiate? Right out of the gate, you were making some very bold claims about his power. Since then you've toned it down but take potshots at anyone who even suggests he'd lose or have difficulty with anyone. What's the deal and when can we expect an actual argument instead of sniping?
But what's your deal with Vitiate? Right out of the gate, you were making some very bold claims about his power. Since then you've toned it down but take potshots at anyone who even suggests he'd lose or have difficulty with anyone. What's the deal and when can we expect an actual argument instead of sniping?
To be honest at the moment I'm finding the wanking of Plagueis to be just as irritating as the wanking of Vitiate was. First people claimed that no-one could resist Vitiates mental domination and now people are claiming that no-one can resist Plagueis' midichlorian manipulation. What happened to actual debates?
Originally posted by Nephthys
To be honest at the moment I'm finding the wanking of Plagueis to be just as irritating as the wanking of Vitiate was. First people claimed that no-one could resist Vitiates mental domination and now people are claiming that no-one can resist Plagueis' midichlorian manipulation. What happened to actual debates?
You mean the accusers are NOT objective? *Gasp*
Did you mistake my encouragement for you to not get pissy as clever reverse psychology?
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I'm not sure.
Are you certain?
Dr McBeefington
But as someone who's biased, are you calling me biased?
I'm not calling you anything, nor am I making judgments, so you can calm down. I'm only making an observation as to your behavior.
Are you biased with regards to Vitiate?
Dr McBeefington
Also, show me where I made some very bold claims?
Pretty much the rest of this thread, beginning here.
Dr McBeefington
And the potshots are on both sides there champ, but it's hard to pretend to be objective no?
So you believe yourself to be on a side?
Dr McBeefington
Here's a hint: Plagueis and Sidious win easily..
Nowhere have I agreed with Lightsnake on this and, in fact, I've called him out on some of his claims regarding Plagueis and his opponents.
Originally posted by CityOfHope
Did you mistake my encouragement for you to not get pissy as clever reverse psychology?
Are you certain?
Are you biased with regards to Vitiate?
So you believe yourself to be on a side?
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Was pretty sure anything I responded with would have been considered "pissy".
Not at all.
You should have taken my request at face value and answered accordingly. Unless I'm supposed to interpret comments like these differently: "but it's hard to pretend to be objective, no?", "you mean the accusers are NOT objective?", "as someone who's biased, are you calling me biased?"
This response from you is exceedingly more genuine and less defensive.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
You'll need to summarize because I'm not going through 47 pages.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Then again, I've always acknowledged that he wasn't above DE Sidious.
Not always. From page 8 of that thread:
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Also, how do we even consider Palpatine's superiority in the mythos when we're now faced with a demigod?[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I'd like to think not but possibly since I think he'd win most fights.
It's not your bias, potential or actual, that's the problem. Everyone here is biased on one topic or another. It's the way you treat those who disagree with your vision of Vitiate in conjunction your reluctance to provide actual arguments.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Aren't we all? Except I wasn't claiming to be impartial.
No one was.