ROTS Sidious vs. Lord Vitiate

Assuming the "legends" are true though, the sith emperor moves up to number one.

I'm not asking you to argue for pages and pages and pages. What I'm asking for is for you to stop bashing people whose opinions differ from you, at least if you won't or can't be bothered to provide an argument yourself. If you want to criticize or nitpick instead of getting into multi-post arguments, fine, but spare everyone the insults.

That's all I'm asking and I think that's fair. [/B]

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
This. Although I am a bit hesitant to even give Vitiate the force battle.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Although Vitiate has displayed mind control powers on others on a scale that ROTS has not yet demonstrated,

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I doubt he will be mind controling Darth Sidious anytime soon. By the age of 17, Palpatine had raised psychic walls so strong that they were impenetrable for Plagueis, who was one of the most powerful force user of that time (this was before Palpatine had any training at all).

You need to establish that Plagueis was as much proficient with mind controlling powers as Vitiate was.

"Once they arrived on Nathema, they quickly fell under Lord Vitiate's control. He dominated their minds, crushed their resistance. He turned them into slaves to his will, forcing them to participate in the most complex ritual of Sith sorcery ever attempted." (Nyriss to Scourge regarding fate of 100 Sith Lords)

"The Emperor has the ability to dominate and enslave the minds of those who serve him," she explained. "It's one of the reasons he has ruled for so long. Those that are transformed become fanatical zealots who live to serve; they are not capable of betraying him." (Nyriss to Scourge)

"We underestimated his power. When we confronted him, he didn't even have to fight us. Instead, he broke our wills. He dominated our minds, turning us into puppets to do his bidding. He sent us back to the Republic as the vanguard of his invasion, with instructions to report back when all resistance was crushed." (Revan recalls his previous confrontation with Vitiate along with Malak)

Beat this.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Later on during Palpatine's apprenticeship, him and Plagueis, as Lightsnake has brought out in another thread, went on to challenge the force for sovereignty, and by the power of their will they managed to succeed in causing an imbalance in favor of the dark side, without being destroyed by the force.

This feat is invalid within the context of this fight.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Sidious lightning at this point was powerful enough to reduce a giant sith worm to ash, and strong enough to rip Yoda's lightsaber from his hands.

In comparison;

Revan, who has demonstrated even a higher mastery in this regard, was seriously injured by signature Force Lightning of Vitiate which was a swirling storm of pure dark side energy and comprised of 12 purplish bolts. Vitiate could channel more and more powerful into it any single opponent. Worse would have happened if T3-M4 would not have stepped in.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Sidious also took on the full brunt of his own lightning to the face without it even weakening him, the same exact lightning that nearly overwhelmed Windu's lightsaber defense.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Vitiate would have some serious trouble trying to overcome Sidious with the force, whereas Sidious holds a huge advantage with a lightsaber.

Vitiate is a Force prodigy;

Scourge expected them to search him, or at least instruct him to turn over his weapons. But Yarri and the others simply stood at attention, waiting for him to enter. The fact that they showed no concern over letting an armed Sith Lord speak to the Emperor face-to-face without any kind of preparation was a testament to the Emperor's unfathomable power.

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A tremor rippled through the air as the Emperor unleashed the full power of the Force against the defenseless droid. T3 never stood a chance. The little droid exploded into a million pieces, internal circuits and external casing obliterated in a single instant.

Even several powerful Jedi (simultaneously) were no match for him;

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"I said he killed them all," Scourge replied. (Scourge to Revan regarding fate of 9 remaining Dark Council members)

Vitiaye even has the capability to creat illusions in combat situations.

Vitiate' command of the Force is such that he did not had to rely on the lightsaber to kill his opponents. ROTS Sidious will not get a chance for lightsaber duel in a fight without restrictions in this case.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yoda was able to block Sidious' Lightning with his bare hands.

In comparison;

Revan, who has demonstrated even a higher mastery in this regard, was seriously injured by signature Force Lightning of Vitiate which was a [B]swirling storm of pure dark side energy and comprised of 12 purplish bolts. Vitiate could channel more and more powerful into it any single opponent. Worse would have happened if T3-M4 would not have stepped in.[/B]

Yoda being able to do that hardly proves that Sidious is weak. 😬

And Vitiate had to charge up his lightning in order to overwhelm Revan. I don't know that Sidious would be stupid enough to A) Let Vitiate charge up his attacks unmolested or B) Attempt to block Vitiates lightning with his bare hands rather than with a lightsaber when the former in much more difficult to do.

That said, Vitiates power in Force Lightning is among the very greatest imo.

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