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The attack is described as "infinitely more powerful than Nyriss'". While there's some obvious hyperbole there, the intention of the narration is to stress that the Sith Emperor is in a whole 'nother ballpark from even Revan.
Revan put Vitiate on his ass twice and deflected all of his conventional/non-charged attacks. Sounds like Vitiate needs to spend some more time in the batting cage.
Originally posted by EdgeOfTheMoment
Revan put Vitiate on his ass twice and deflected all of his conventional/non-charged attacks. Sounds like Vitiate needs to spend some more time in the batting cage.
Revan's also grown since their first encounter (when Vitiate utterly dominated him without even stirring from his chair), is at this point able to equally channel light and darkness (something incredibly rare in the entire mythos) and the most powerful Jedi in the Order by admission of the narrator. Him getting some "first hits" in (especially considering the Emperor was initially trying to dominate his mind, not Force-pwn him into oblivion) is ignoring the context. When the Emperor meant business, Revan was destroyed without any hope of overcoming the Emperor. The narration even indicates that the only time the Emperor was in danger of dying was when he was about to murder Revan on the ground and Meetra used a desperation move to ward off the blow.
I thought you read the book?
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Revan's also grown since their first encounter
Considering that I'm referring to their second encounter, this is irrelevant.
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(when Vitiate utterly dominated him without even stirring from his chair),
Vitiate's mental domination is confirmed by Scourge to be the product of a "powerful ritual," which is commensurate with the fact that in all cases of Vitiate's successful manipulation of Force-users, he had the advantage of foreknowledge and preparation, which includes Revan's first encounter with him.
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is at this point able to equally channel light and darkness (something incredibly rare in the entire mythos)
I'm curious how this in and of itself is supposed to impress me in with respect to a duel, since there is no noted advantage beyond a powerful telekinetic outburst, which is something hardly unique to this instance.
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and the most powerful Jedi in the Order by admission of the narrator.
The narrator in this case being Revan himself, as he recounts what he knows of his life prior to assuming the mantle of Sith Lord.
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Him getting some "first hits" in (especially considering the Emperor was initially trying to dominate his mind, not Force-pwn him into oblivion) is ignoring the context.
He had one "hit" when Vitiate is trying to dominate his mind. The second time, there is no evidence that Vitiate was unprepared, especially in light of the fact that he was actively attacking Revan with Sith lightning.
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When the Emperor meant business, Revan was destroyed without any hope of overcoming the Emperor.
When the Emperor meant business, Revan afforded him the opportunity to charge his powers in what can only be described as an enormous tactical blunder from a supposed tactical genius.
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The narration even indicates that the only time the Emperor was in danger of dying was when he was about to murder Revan on the ground and Meetra used a desperation move to ward off the blow.
The narration also indicates that the Emperor "needed" to exploit the opportunity provided by Scourge's betrayal of Surik. But you were willing to dismiss that in another thread, correct? Would you mind sharing with the rest of us your process for determining what counts as valid narration and what doesn't? Because it seems to me that you're only interested in the words that make Vitiate l33t.
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I thought you read the book?
I did, but I know you didn't.
Originally posted by ares834
Servant!? I serve no man and certainly not a newbie!😖hifty:
Who says I'm either?
Just kidding, I'm definitely a newbie.
Originally posted by ares834
Anyway, aside from Vitate's mind powers I wasn't all that impressed by him. Especially since his defeat of Revan reeks of PIS. So I'm giving the victory to Palpatine.
No comment.
But I may or may not be greatly displeased and would encourage you to read Plagueis at your earliest convenience.
Originally posted by EdgeOfTheMoment
Vitiate's mental domination is confirmed by Scourge to be the product of a "powerful ritual," which is commensurate with the fact that in all cases of Vitiate's successful manipulation of Force-users, he had the advantage of foreknowledge and preparation, which includes Revan's first encounter with him.
The ritual you speak of binds the Imperial Guard with Vitiate in such a manner that not just they are his unquestionably loyal servents but can also draw power from him in combat situations.
Originally posted by EdgeOfTheMoment
I'm curious how this in and of itself is supposed to impress me in with respect to a duel, since there is no noted advantage beyond a powerful telekinetic outburst, which is something hardly unique to this instance.
Try to visualize the temporary ownage.
However, purpose of this unique feat was not to cause destruction (Revan did not channeled this power) but to prevent mental domination and overwhelm the opponent simultaneously.
Originally posted by EdgeOfTheMoment
The narrator in this case being Revan himself, as he recounts what he knows of his life prior to assuming the mantle of Sith Lord.
Here;
Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order's most powerful champion.
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Here;
She still wasn't sure what to make of Lord Scourge. She had sensed that his offer to work together was sincere, though she wondered how much of that was Revan's doing. It was easy to understand how Scourge could be drawn to him; Revan's command of the Force was greater than that of anyone else she had ever met. And she knew how charismatic he could be.
These narrations reflect the intended message of the author.
As a certain poster has already explained exhaustively on a multitude of threads, Star Wars novels are written in third person limited form. The observations and musings detailed within novels are, with few exceptions, from the perspective of the viewpoint character.
In this case, Revan was the viewpoint character and thus the narration Stealth Moose provided can only be attributed to him, not some sort of omniscient narrator. Likewise, the idea that Vitiate "needed" to exploit the opening created by Surik's death is simply Scourge's inference based on observation of Vitiate's hesitance when confronted with the three of them.
With respect to your other remarks, I must confess a complete disinterest in discussing this with you. You consistently demonstrate a bizarre affliction of double standards and your perspective on what is impressive (e.g. Malgus feeling the Force fully or something to that effect) is so asynchronous to the rest of us that it would be absolutely inane to dedicate valuable time to discuss it to you.
And just so you understand, I don't mean that as a personal attack nor is it that I just don't like it when people disagree with me. The difference between you and Stealth Moose is that while you share certain similarities and methods, he is far more reasonable than you and I am thus able to openly discuss this thread and others like it with him intense frustration and admittedly homicidal urges.
Originally posted by EdgeOfTheMoment
As a certain poster has already explained exhaustively on a multitude of threads, Star Wars novels are written in third person limited form. The observations and musings detailed within novels are, with few exceptions, from the perspective of the viewpoint character.
The actual opinions of characters are typically mentioned in quotes. If a character is thinking about a past experience then word thought can be used to indicate this.
For example;
"Doesn't sound familiar," Canderous said after a few moments of thought. "What do you think it means?"
However, novels can contain texts that directly convey the intended message of the author to the readers. The author attempts to give readers a snapshot of events with these types of texts.
For example;
Revan couldn't actually remember any of his battles against the Mandalorians; they were buried in the part of his mind that had been locked away when the Jedi Council turned him against Malak. But he had studied up on his own history enough to fill in the missing details from Canderous's narrative.
In battle after battle, Revan had led the Jedi and Republic forces to victory. Realizing defeat was inevitable, Mandalore the Ultimate had challenged Revan to single combat, and Revan had accepted. Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order's most powerful champion. But it wasn't enough for Revan to simply defeat his enemy.
We are getting a sneakpeak of some events that occurred during the Mandalorian Wars in the above text, which also represent the opinion of the author.
In addition, there can be descriptions that represent the feelings of characters in a certain situation, as you pointed below by using the example of Vitiate.
Originally posted by EdgeOfTheMoment
In this case, Revan was the viewpoint character and thus the narration Stealth Moose provided can only be attributed to him, not some sort of omniscient narrator.
Originally posted by EdgeOfTheMoment
Likewise, the idea that Vitiate "needed" to exploit the opening created by Surik's death is simply Scourge's inference based on observation of Vitiate's hesitance when confronted with the three of them.
Originally posted by EdgeOfTheMoment
With respect to your other remarks, I must confess a complete disinterest in discussing this with you. You consistently demonstrate a bizarre affliction of double standards and your perspective on what is impressive (e.g. Malgus feeling the Force fully or something to that effect) is so asynchronous to the rest of us that it would be absolutely inane to dedicate valuable time to discuss it to you.
There is a difference between these two expressions:
1. The Force responded to his emotional state, caught him up in its power until he was awash in it.
2. Thinking of Eleena blew oxygen on the embers of his anger. In life, Eleena had been his weakness, a tool to be exploited by rivals. In death, she had become his strength, her memory the lens of his rage.
He resided in the calm eye of a storm of hate. Power churned around him, within him. He did not feel as if he were drawing on the Force, using it. He felt as if he were the Force, as if he had merged with it.
The first expression indicates that Malgus is calling upon the Force to augment his strength.
The second expression indicates that Malgus is in an extremely refined state of mind and he experiences deeper connection to the Force then in the previous event under this mental condition.
Originally posted by EdgeOfTheMoment
And just so you understand, I don't mean that as a personal attack nor is it that I just don't like it when people disagree with me. The difference between you and Stealth Moose is that while you share certain similarities and methods, he is far more reasonable than you and I am thus able to openly discuss this thread and others like it with him intense frustration and admittedly homicidal urges
I'm not inclined to spend more posts trying to explain this phenomenon to you. Hopefully this can properly explain the mechanics to you. Hopefully you'll come to understand the distinction, because I can guarantee you that the poster in question will use less than courteous methods to educate you.
Originally posted by EdgeOfTheMoment
I'm not inclined to spend more posts trying to explain this phenomenon to you. Hopefully this can properly explain the mechanics to you. Hopefully you'll come to understand the distinction, because I can guarantee you that the poster in question will use less than courteous methods to educate you.
And I suppose that this does not represents Revan's opinion:
She still wasn't sure what to make of Lord Scourge. She had sensed that his offer to work together was sincere, though she wondered how much of that was Revan's doing. It was easy to understand how Scourge could be drawn to him; Revan's command of the Force was greater than that of anyone else she had ever met. And she knew how charismatic he could be.