Originally posted by ThereIsHope
Cosmic cubes rape eternity, yet Thanos beat one recently? Who writes this crap.
And thats my point, its not the writers who are at fault, they've given us statements and references within continuity to the power level of the cosmic cubes, its forum reader faulty logic that has hyped them up to the nth degree despite whats stated in the comics about their standing in the hierarchy.
As stated on panel by the Living Tribunal, the cosmic cubes are just permitted experiments. An arrangement was made between the Beyonders and the Abstracts and LT to allow portions of cosmic power to enter 616 so that it could form cubes which would enable mortals to wield the power and for the Beyonders to observe what happens.
The Great Powers agreed to play along with the experiment and pretended to fall to the cubes power as a part of the process:
As stated by the cube beings the Abstracts and Great Powers of the universe are full participants in the cosmic cube experiment and in the development from cube to cube being they had "dim reflections" face the cube beings power to aid its development, however it is acknowledged by Kubik that the power of a cube is NO MATCH for the Abstracts or the Great Powers such as the Celestials and Vishanti.
In a later Fantastic Four Annual again the point is made clear
"our power is AS nothing to that of the Celestials"
"yes our might is infinite but there are levels of infinity"
Here the point is explained perfectly. There are infinite odd numbers, infinite even numbers both infinite in their own right, but both are just facets of an even more infinite quantity...whole numbers.
"a transfinite level of power many orders of magnitude beyond our own"
the power of a cube being is not enough to save it from a single Celestial, if judgement was against the two cube beings, he could have destroyed them both :
Once again.
We have been told in continuity that the cubes/cube beings are below the Abstracts and Great Powers, we have been told there are differing levels of infinity and yet the flawed logic of forum readers has made many overlook these points, make up their own hierarchy and then find fault with writers when a showing from a character doesnt match the forums fabrication.
Odin can manipulate energies which can destroy a universe:
Odin is slightly weaker than a hungry Galactus and no match for an energised one:
Levels of infinity
Manipulating universal scale energies/matter does not automatically make a being above Eternity as ive just shown. Especially not when said beings state themselves they are many times inferior in power than even a Celestial.
Silver Surfer can destroy a planet and manipulate planetary scale matter. Can he do so as easily as Galactus? No.
Because Silver Surfer can do those things does that make him greater than Ego the living planet? HELL NO
Different levels of infinity
Originally posted by The Merchant
Huh, interesting case GS. I've always seen the cosmic cube beings below celestials since that what is stated, but normal cubes can be above certain abstracts depending on the user, no?
The cubes are stated to be many orders of magnitude below the Celestials, the other Great Powers such as The Vishanti and certainly below The Abstracts.
A cosmic cube is not beating a full powered Celestial or Abstract level being unless by plot device.
Its all about differing levels of infinity. That was the whole pont of those Fantastic Four Annuals and forum readers just ignore it and sat stuff like someone can manipulate universal scale energies,so theyre on par with Eternity 😐
Surfer can manipulate planetary scale matter and destroy planets.
That doesnt place him on par with or above Ego, a living planet 😬
But yeah, if you read that and believed the points then carry on believing because its true.
Dont be swayed by the misguided logic of other forum readers who will tell you to ignore whats stated on panel, to ignore what explanations are given on panel and believe what they tell you is happening in scans 🙄
Originally posted by Damborgson
When was it confirmed that the Galactus Odin fought was a hungry one? He wanted the seed not to feed. Plus he had just fed on a planet in the same miniseries...
Good point. I looked through the issue again and youre right i couldnt find anything conclusive to say he was hungry in that encounter, so ignore the hungry part and lets replace it with "an average Galactus" lol
Originally posted by DamborgsonHe gets one shotted after he kills the first one, why would he still have the 4 planet amp when he tore a Celestial in twix?
Galactus did eat 4 planets before he fought the Celestials though. Or something similar.But yes, Fraction.
The Scrier and Other one though is quite a ways above not doing anything offensively against Odin.
Originally posted by DamborgsonMeh, the Odin "fight" (maybe), and the Thanos thing are like fed Galactus' lowest showings.just throwing shit out there to make it less retarded.
And are really the only low showings of fed Galactus I can think of. Tyrant if you include zopzop's reasoning too... which you shouldn't.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Meh, the Odin "fight" (maybe), and the Thanos thing are like fed Galactus' lowest showings.And are really the only low showings of fed Galactus I can think of. Tyrant if you include zopzop's reasoning too... which you shouldn't.
It was lower than I would expect for a fed Galactus no doubt, but in the end he still brushed it off more or less.
It's best to stay away from most things Zop Zop. 👆
Originally posted by The Merchant
Hey GS, thanks for the info. Also, if it is not too much trouble, can I see your heirarchy list, if you have one?
A basic one would be
LT
The Abstracts
The Great Powers - Celestials, Vishanti, well fed Galactus
Cube Beings /Elder Gods
Average Galactus
Skyfathers / Hell Lords / Dormammu
Elders Of The Universe / Watchers
Heralds / Thor / Binary
Not an exhaustive list and some bits im open to suggestion, but thats it for now 🙂
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Meh, the Odin "fight" (maybe), and the Thanos thing are like fed Galactus' lowest showings.And are really the only low showings of fed Galactus I can think of. Tyrant if you include zopzop's reasoning too... which you shouldn't.
