Originally posted by The Merchant
Imagine the day when Marvel finally clears up their hierarchy and tells us what each tier list can do.
Hell they STILL haven't made sense out of that whole HoM bullsh|t and it's consequences yet.
Originally posted by zopzopwhich naturally reflects on his power level
I didn't create the goddamn thing. Take it up with the writer. Fact is, Galactus prepped and fed on a planet that he said made him feel more powerful than he has in ages and he STILL lost to DP Tyrant after attempting to cheat and use his machines.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When a cosmic cube is retconned to being on par with the Abstracts as opposed to its current sub-Celestial power status, then Thanos with the Cosmic Cube stands a chance.Cubes are by canon below Celestials in power.
Celestials in general just don't seem to be the same cosmic be all end all things they were made out to be in Thor#300. The negative fan reaction to that comic may have been the reason for why they were seemingly downgraded from armored space gods to a bunch of transformer-rejects who can't kill Ben Grimm, can be damaged by CCR-amped Johnny, get easily slagged to death by a random entropy gun in Reed's closet etc.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
In a GoTG comic, the Badoon enslaved the whole Celestial race using only a single cosmic cube. Of course it's an alternate future timeline and one could try and argue that those alternate future Celestials are apparently weaker than their mainstream counterparts, but that line of logic could be applied to the Mad Celestials that Franklin and Galactus fought as well.Celestials in general just don't seem to be the same cosmic be all end all things they were made out to be in Thor#300. The negative fan reaction to that comic may have been the reason for why they were seemingly downgraded from armored space gods to a bunch of transformer-rejects who can't kill Ben Grimm, can be damaged by CCR-amped Johnny, get easily slagged to death by a random entropy gun in Reed's closet etc.
By that same token it was a single Celestial in GOTG who took charge and quickly took out Protege as he was just getting acclimatized to LT's power and saved the day.
The Celestial race is made up of individuals of varying power levels, not all are as powerful as Tiamut or Arishem. Plus those Celestials were from an alternate timeline so there are a number of ways we can explain that GOTG incident off.
As for the Mad Celestials, remember that the Celestials of 616 stated that when grown up Franklin had the potential to match them in power. Then you have adult Franklin showing that hes in the same ballpark as those Mad Celestials which some could use to argue that that proves the 616 Celestials point plus shows that those Mad Celestials were on par with those of 616.
Imo an average Galactus is a bit beyond a skyfather, but no match for a cube being or a powerful Celestial. When charged up on the energies of multiple planets Galactus gains parity with powerful Celestials.
Youve seen the evidence, it is stated clear as day by the cubes themselves that they are lower than the Celestials and the Abstracst etc in power
Youve heard explanations on panel which states that the cubes were permitted experiments that the Abstracts played along with at the request of the Beyonders for reasons of knowledge and enlightenment
Youve seen the cubes state themselves that yes theyre infinitely powerful, yes they can warp reality and manipulate matter on a universal scale, but there are levels of infinity and the Celestials and Abstracts can do so on a greater scale. All stated on panel by the power in question itself. So who are we as forum readers to say otherwise?
I then demonstrated the point with Odin manipulating and redirecting energies capable of blowing up the universe and yet just months before in the same title it established that Odin is at best on par with an average Galactus.
Just because you can blow up a planet or manipulate a planetary scale of matter does not necessarily make you greater than Ego.
Just because some characters can do the same to a universe does not necessarily make them greater than Eternity.
LEVELS OF INFINITY
Its all about the comparative ease with which feats can be achieved, its all about the comparative natures and characteristics of beings.
Its not as simple as he, can blow up a universe scale of matter so this guys greater than Eternity. Thats the basic logic thats had dominance in these forums for too long.
It is stated clear and explicitly that the Cubes are below the Celestials.
Do not let anyone come up in here and tell you different. If someones argument involves you having to overlook or ignore whats stated clearly on panel in favour of their interpretation of various ambiguous open to interpretation scans then do not have it.
REFUTE THAT BULLshit
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Originally posted by CortSether
No, he loses hard.
Not according to cube beings themselves who state on panel that they are below Celestials and the higher powers of the universe. Said higher powers also confirm the cubes are just permitted experiments.
Your OPINION to the contrary is meaningless in the face of that.
Again. Odin can manipulate energies capable of destroying the universe and potentially the multiverse as we found out in Mighty Thor. Does that make him greater than Eternity? ❌
It does by your logic and that of your pimp.stupid
Who will no doubt show up with a scan spammage and say to all ignore whats explicitly stated and explained on panel, instead listen to my interpretation of how i think the Marvel Universe works 😐
Im not making this up, im just relaying exactly whats stated on panel.
If believing in someone means ignoring whats on panel, then theres something wrong there mate.
Use your mind. Think for yourself. smartass
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not according to cube beings themselves who state on panel that they are below Celestials and the higher powers of the universe. Said higher powers also confirm the cubes are just permitted experiments.Your OPINION to the contrary is meaningless in the face of that.
Again. Odin can manipulate energies capable of destroying the universe and potentially the multiverse as we found out in Mighty Thor. Does that make him greater than Eternity? ❌
It does by your logic and that of your pimp.stupid
Who will no doubt show up with a scan spammage and say to all ignore whats explicitly stated and explained on panel, instead listen to my interpretation of how i think the Marvel Universe works 😐
Im not making this up, im just relaying exactly whats stated on panel.
If believing in someone means ignoring whats on panel, then theres something wrong there mate.
Use your mind. Think for yourself. smartass
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