Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Zop never fails to grasp onto some awful form of logic like cold death.This time it's not even from comics.
What tier is a character that's less powerful than a skyfather but able to beat a high herald? TRANS Tier right?
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[B]also, wheres the link to the interview? [/B]
Enjoy.
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
also, the force has beatin galactus with rachel as it's host,
When fed G fought Phoenix years back, it was stated they were equal.
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
jean as its host blew arishem's thumb off
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
the destroyer with the asgardian lifeforce was beaten terribly by the celestials
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
Thaonos was beaten by squirrel qirl, likewise doom,
i'm guessing you would rank her above those two?
Originally posted by Mr Master
Galactus was hungry.When fed G fought Phoenix years back, it was stated they were equal.
Originally posted by Mr Master Thor cracked Exitar's dome, and the incredible wall protecting Exitar's "brain."I'm assuming you're suggesting Jean defeated Arishem cause of the "thumb" issue,
but that's not the case, just like Thor never beat Exitar by cracking his dome piece.
she damaged his thumb with just a small fraction of the force
wonder what the full force would of done?
Originally posted by Mr Master SQ is dumbshit and Doom is the Reed's anti-thesis,
which means he can do anything. [/B]
in short, going off panel from the past scans
phoenix should exceed Odin in power.
Brevoort must not be familiar with the rankings in relation to power
he dubbed Odin " the creator of all things"
since when was he TOAA???
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Planetary EMP,
which evidently is enough to shatter the almighty PF! 🙂
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Xorn, killing Jean Grey ... and exploding the actual Phoenix Force itself!
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On Panel:
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Beast remembers:
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This incident involving Xorn & the Phoenix Force
was actually recalled by the embodiment of the Phoenix Force itself in "Endsong"
"I thought I was Dead, in a Billion Billion pieces"
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Bios: 100% canon
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(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005 - Phoenix Force bio)
"Jean Grey was Killed by an Electromagnetic Pulse,
this shattered the Force into Billions of PIECES"
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(from WC Phoenix - Jean Grey's official 2008 bio)
"Jean opposed faux Magneto but was killed by a lethal EMP
that shattered the Phoenix Force into Billions of pieces"
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The Shiar has made the almighty Phoenix Force it's ***** as well:
Actually they (Shiar) not only forced the PF's resurrection:
But they also shattered the PF itself into pieces
partially due to the "Event Horizon" they attacked it with:
So canonically, the PF has been shattered TWICE!
1. Into Billions of pieces by an EMP at the hands of Xorn.
2. By a Shiar device as well.
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On Panel proof:
Here's the PF again, being shattered, this time by the Shiar:
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Jean Grey was still dead, since Xorn's EMP!
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Here's the Shiar at the end of the issue,
explaining the "Eleka'an Event Horizon" they used on the PF.
The PF survived by escaping at the last moment,
but it was still injured, dying, meh, literally shattered again!
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100% canon
Bio confirmation of said on panel proof:
"The Force was later ripped back to reality by a Shiar device
that forcibly reconstituted it. Injured, the Force fell ....
searched for Jean and, finding her DEAD, resurrected her ..."
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The PF was manhandled, stomped and nearly killed yet again,
by some alien Ship:
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While the Phoenix Force is in it's purest form (no host)
The Ship, rips a hole in Space & Time in front of the Phoenix Force while in 616,
and forces it into the Multiverse that houses the Ultraverse Universe:
"Out of one marvelous Universe and into another"
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Then, the Ship attacks the actual Phoenix Force,
the SHIP wants to drain the energy of the Force:
"Impaled, Spitted, the Phoenix writhes as it's life is sucked out"
It has never known PAIN of this magnitude, it SCREAMS"
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"It's willfully torturing the Phoenix ..... am I imagining things,
or is it's fire going out, the colors are fading, like it's dying ...
... Truly,
the Phoenix is battling for it's life against the sear of Light that is stripping it's power away"
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The Phoenix manages to break free for a moment (though near death)
"Wounded the Phoenix falls, to survive, to mend, to heal, it must find a Host"
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The SHIP allows the Phoenix to escape for now,
"to locate it's pilot program before draining it entirely"
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This is all 100% canon!
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(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook - Phoenix Force bio)
"Impaled on a Lance of energy, Wounded, the Force sought a host to protect it as it Healed"
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😆 ... Heck ... even a few heroes are enough to handle the Force itself!
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A Few members of the X-Men and Ultra Force (six in all)
are sent to battle the actual Phoenix Force (host-less) ... this is the real deal.
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"The assembled Heroes are tired & battered,
the Phoenix (no host) is reborn and fresh"
And they're still holding their own! 👆
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The Six heroes beat (physically) the Phoenix Force (no host) into and through the Portal:
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The Phoenix Force ends up displaced by Four Billion Years:
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100% canon
(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)
"the Heroes were able to drive the FORCE into another portal,
and it emerged Four Billion years in the Past"
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Confirmed Again in the 2007 Handbook Bios:
Originally posted by zopzop
Well according to wiki :
He became Executive Editor in 2007, and in January 2011 was promoted to Senior Vice President of Publishing. He holds both titles as of 2011.So as of 2012 that's how Marvel sees the PF power wise. Odin > PF. It can't even overcome Odin's enchantments. So if Odin (who is a Skyfather) is at least a Tier more powerful than it (since the PF can't even overcome Odin's enchatments), yet it's strong enough to beat Thor (who is a high herald), that makes it a Trans Tier character.
Don't tell me you're smoking too Zop? 🙄
Thor was only able to muster the feat of clipping its wings after absorbing some of the PF energy.
Let's recollect.
Mjolnir or "Odins enchantment" during a taxing/focused/concentrated attack (see Thor facial expression) failed. This was the result:
"Thor is horribly injured"
Totally ignores "Odins enchantment" then goes and ignites a planet. Presumably to show the disparity in power levels.
"Odins enchantment" won't register readings like this:
"Odins enchantment" vs. the PF one more time, sends Thor flying outta control.
The PF was doing this while amping Hope with a substantial portion of its power.
After seeing all of this, how can you, Tom, or anyone else come to the conclusion that "Odins enchantment" is in any way/shape/form/or fashion above or anywhere near the same league?
you do realize the force was in several pieces shattered all over the universe?@ Mr. Master
also the xorn situation was explained
im sure you've read " here comes tomorrow"
and of course when separate it would be weaker as to all fragments being merged together and it being whole, holding more power
also, your postings, are you trying to prove how
how do they display the phoenixes inferiority to the sky father?
atomically manipulating the universe should place her leagues above him
Originally posted by Mr.SunKingyou do realize the force was in several pieces shattered all over the universe?@ Mr. Master
Originally posted by Mr.SunKingalso the xorn situation was explained
im sure you've read " here comes tomorrow"
Another spin of the facts? 😂
Because it's quite simple.
Xorn used an EMP to kill Jean Grey,
and explode the Phoenix FOrce into billions of pieces.
On Panel, and confirmed in both handbook bios.
Originally posted by Mr.SunKingand of course when separate it would be weaker as to all
fragments being merged together and it being whole, holding more power
The PF was complete and got shattered by both Xorn and the Shiar,
got stomped by some Alien Ship from the Ultraverse,
and got handled by 6 heroes.
Now we got Thor with "faint traces of the PF" on his hammer
momentarily stalemating the Force, clipping it's wings, bashing it''s form
and even stating that it can be bested" according to his battle.
Originally posted by Mr.SunKingalso, your postings, are you trying to prove how
how do they display the phoenixes inferiority to the sky father?[b]atomically manipulating the universe
should place her leagues above him
Oh, you talking about "Here Comes Tomorrow"
where Jean holds the visualization of a universe and does nothing with it,
but travel back in time and force Scott Summers to stay with Emma,
therefore indirectly causing reality 15104 HCT (possible 616 future) to be altered/manipulated.
The only thing Jean did "atomically" was remove Sublime's atoms from reality,
which in turn amputated/disinfected the future of Sublime.
Unfortunately though, Sublime's dirty work was still present,
so in order to rub that possible future from the Multiverse,
Jean affected the source of the divergence, which was Scott.
Scott created Reality 15104 (Here Comes Tomorrow) via thought,
when he decided to leave Emma & the X-Men.
The second that decision was changed by Jean,
Reality 15104 was altered.
*note*
The trouble homegirl had to go through just to alter an alternate future,
when there are powers that simply exercise a thought, and reality is altered.
Originally posted by Mr.SunKingand also " i thought that was dead"
that was dark phoenix talking
That's the Phoenix Force itself in "Endsong." (the arc that follows up on the Xorn story)
There's no Jean or any host attached to the Phoenix in that scene.
^^^ I never thought that before, but after the Brevoort interview,
and the PF's latest showings, I see now why the PF is almost always getting stomped,
and has never defeated a true opponent of significance,
and why it itself is insignificant concerning threats to the Cosmic Hierarchy.
Originally posted by SundippedThor was only able to muster the feat of clipping its wings after absorbing some of the PF energy.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Mjolnir or "Odins enchantment" during a taxing/focused/concentrated attack (see Thor facial expression) failed.This was the result:
I'd say that's a plus for Thor.
Any other hierarchal cosmic would've fried Thor to slag
worse that Galactus did to Hercules.
Originally posted by Sundipped"Thor is horribly injured"
Totally ignores "Odins enchantment" then goes and ignites a planet.
Presumably to show the disparity in power levels.
Thor's hammer dispersed the Phoenix's flaring form and his hammer kept going and hit that planet.
It was not the PF showing off, it was Thor by mistake.
Originally posted by Sundipped
"Odins enchantment" won't register readings like this:
This has happened with lesser threats.
Originally posted by Sundipped
"Odins enchantment" vs. the PF one more time, sends Thor flying outta control.
This is what's standing out friend.
Originally posted by SundippedThe PF was doing this while amping Hope with a substantial portion of its power.
I haven't read that anywhere. I know a tiny portion is what Hope has so far.
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Anyhow, I think these scans you didn't post broadens perspectives:
Thor not only held his own for a while,
but managed to damage the Phoenix Force,
and again survived another devastating attack,
plus, the PF ran away from him.
Originally posted by zopzopTom isn't the one arguing it here.
Yeah well, take it up with Brevoort. He even stated that Odin's enchantments "so far" >>>>>>>>>>PF. If it can't overcome Odin's enchantments it's <<<<<<<<<<<<<<Odin.What tier is a character that's less powerful than a skyfather but able to beat a high herald? TRANS Tier right?
And he's not presenting someone else's opinion about something not even in ****ing comics.
Again, awful logic is your forte. I don't care if you think Odin beats it, but using Tom B as absolute proof is ridiculous
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Tom isn't the one arguing it here.And he's not presenting someone else's opinion about something not even in ****ing comics.
Again, awful logic is your forte. I don't care if you think Odin beats it, but using Tom B as absolute proof is ridiculous
How is it ridiculous? On panel we saw Mjolnir cause the PF to flee.
Off panel we have one of the top guys, if not THE top guy, at Marvel TELLING people : Odin > PF.
It don't get clearer than that.
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^^ I never thought that before, but after the Brevoort interview,
and the PF's latest showings, I see now why the PF is almost always getting stomped, and has never defeated a true opponent of significance, and why it itself is insignificant concerning threats to the Cosmic Hierarchy.
This whole AvX fiasco was nothing but crap from the very beginning. The "cosmic" threat turned out to be nothing more than a high Trans being acting the fool with a mutant teen.
Pathetic Marvel, simply pathetic. 👇
