Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Hickman is also writing it . To my knowledge , Brevoort isn't part of the team of writers for the AvX event .
Ah ok thank you. Well if Brevoort isn't on the team writing it then should his opinion really matter more than ours? He's a top guy at Marvel sure, but Odin being > Phoenix just on his word, seems pretty silly to me.
I was just thinking ...... AvX would make a kick ass movie if potrayed on screen using all the actors from the previous Marvel movies + some additional ones.
Everyone in favor push for it although it would be some time before anything like this even develops after all the associated arcs are concluded. It would be a lot to cram into 2 & ahalf to 3 hours.
Originally posted by zopzop
Dude, if I'm wrong like with the Odin/Galactus incident, I'll straight up admit it and change my Avatar and Sig to respect the PF for 30 days (like I did for Galactus). But I have a feeling I'm right this time because of Brevoort's comments concerning the PF and Mjolnir's enchantments.
I doubt that should be done , because Wanda no longer has the Life-Force powers , which amped her to her HOM levels . If Phoenix ends up beating her(which is most likely the case) , its only going to be regular Wanda at her full natural potential . There is no indication in #5 that Wanda somehow managed to regain the life-force . Although , if Marvel ends up revealing that the life-force IS the phoenix force(or a pat of the PF) , I too will gladly admit I am wrong , and will spam every thread the PF is in , worshiping her . Although to be honest , I have always regarded the PF , like most other cosmics/abstracts to be way above any skyfather , and the Brevoort interview surprised me .
The latest from Brevoort :
FAN : "Phoenix was stated to be in Galactus leval many times in cronology. And Galactus is above Odin. Why erase all old cronology ? Fans dont deserve respect ?"
Tom Brevoort : "When you're talking about power levels, especially at that scale, these things are not transitory."
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Tom is awesome. 👆
I have asked him 2 questions regarding whether LT can lift Mjolnir or not , and how Odin compares to Franklin Richards in terms of power . If he answers "no" to the first one or "Odin" to the second one , then I'll retract everything I said about Phoenix(regarding its comparison to skyfathers) .
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The latest from Brevoort :FAN : "Phoenix was stated to be in Galactus leval many times in cronology. And Galactus is above Odin. Why erase all old cronology ? Fans dont deserve respect ?"
Tom Brevoort : "When you're talking about power levels, especially at that scale, these things are not transitory."
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Even more crap , er , answers from Brevoort :FAN : "Do you belive Odin can beat Galactus in a fight (since he can beat Phoenix)"
Tom Brevoort : "I think that anybody can beat anybody depending on the day of the week."
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Tom is awesome. 👆
My Rant of the Day.
AvX is the biggest load of shit Marvel has come up with. More so than the Onslaught Arc or Infinity Crusade.
Plot
Art
Execution
Character
They have violated, and written down everything. The only positive to come out this arc is Uncanny X-Men, and the New Mutants/Journey Into the Mystery tie in.
Originally posted by zopzop
With an idiot like this as Marvel's top dog, is it any wonder why their recent series and crossovers (AvX, Fear Itself, Chaos War, etc...) suck ass?!
Apparently Tom seems to have confirmed that Odin isn't the only skyfather that is perhaps above the PF .
FAN : "Odin is the All-Father, the creator of all things." Ain't Odin just a norse God? He's basically the norse Zeus.
smile
TomBrevoort : "Zeus is also the creator of all things. Interesting, isn't it?"
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I have asked him 2 questions regarding whether LT can lift Mjolnir or not , and how Odin compares to Franklin Richards in terms of power . If he answers "no" to the first one or "Odin" to the second one , then I'll retract everything I said about Phoenix(regarding its comparison to skyfathers) .
He will say "they are both beaucoup powerful" on your second question. He would probably say "why would he need to?" on the first.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Like I said, if I was the Editor of Marvel Comics, I'd troll fans getting agitated about power level discrepancies through Formspring, too.
I don't think that he's having a laugh at the fans' expense . If you have read ALL of his other replies , then you too would get the impression that he's a BIG-TIME Thor fanboy .
Originally posted by Tar-Antado
He will say "they are both beaucoup powerful" on your second question. He would probably say "why would he need to?" on the first.
I'll reply to the first , by telling him its not a question about need , its a question about capability . Is LT capable of lifting Mjolnir or not ? A simple yes or no should suffice . And if he still refuses to give a clear-cut answer , I'll tell him to stop dodging the question .
As for the second , yeah I agree with you , its pointless trying to get an answer from him on that one .
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I don't think that he's having a laugh at the fans' expense . If you have read ALL of his other replies , then you too would get the impression that he's a BIG-TIME Thor fanboy .
I've actually read a lot of Tom's replies to questions over the years. And really, most of his comments are him having fun with some of the fans who get really passionate about power levels and the classic "who'd beat who" kind of discussions.
I remember a couple of years ago after Siege when Sentry fans came out in droves all pissed off because of what happened and Tom more or less shrugged and said "deal with it". And while his official position as editor certainly gives his opinion more weight, it's still that at the end of the day: opinion. Certainly not admissible as any kind of proof, but rather just an insight as to how one person views a specific subject. And no, Tom's opinion doesn't equal Marvel's.
As far as this specific topic goes, I certainly think the Phoenix Force is more important to the universe than Odin is, but in terms of power and formidability, Odin's got crazy ass feats to compete with the Force. And given some of the scans and context revealed in this thread so far by some, based on what we've seen so far, I wouldn't cry foul if Odin could best the Force under his own power.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I've actually read a lot of Tom's replies to questions over the years. And really, most of his comments are him having fun with some of the fans who get really passionate about power levels and the classic "who'd beat who" kind of discussions.I remember a couple of years ago after Siege when Sentry fans came out in droves all pissed off because of what happened and Tom more or less shrugged and said "deal with it". And while his official position as editor certainly gives his opinion more weight, it's still that at the end of the day: opinion. Certainly not admissible as any kind of proof, but rather just an insight as to how one person views a specific subject. And no, Tom's opinion doesn't equal Marvel's.
As far as this specific topic goes, I certainly think the Phoenix Force is more important to the universe than Odin is, but in terms of power and formidability, Odin's got crazy ass feats to compete with the Force. And given some of the scans and context revealed in this thread so far by some, based on what we've seen so far, I wouldn't cry foul if Odin could best the Force under his own power.
OK . But , if we take into account ALL the on-panel evidence regarding their respective performance against the same opponents(in this case against Galactus and the Celestials) w/o counting any of the PIS , then , imo , the phoenix will definitely come out on top of any skyfather short of All-Father Hercules.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
OK . But , if we take into account ALL the on-panel evidence regarding their respective performance against the same opponents(in this case against Galactus and the Celestials) w/o counting any of the PIS , then , imo , the phoenix will definitely come out on top of any skyfather short of All-Father Hercules.
Fair enough.
In any case, bring Tom or his opinions into the forum as anything worth merit, regardless of how "right" it may seem to be or not be, doesn't do anyone any favors.