NJO Luke vs. Mace Windu (lightsabers only)

Originally posted by ares834

Yes, as long as they aren't contradicted.

Then since the OT Novels and contrastingly the Movies seem iffy in regard to Vader's stance towards Luke, we'll have to go by later novels where Luke states that Vader held back on him.

Well, Nomi never reached her peak in media, she kind of fell off of the radar. But she picked up a lightsaber with no training and kicked ass, and mastered the Wall of Light technique by pretty much -hearing- about it from a Jedi Master. Her level of learning was insanely quick, so it makes you wonder what her midi-chlorian count was.

Plus she has the most powerful form of Battle Meditation we've seen so far.

I'm still hoping for that novel based on her.

As far as I've read (which has not been anything SW related in the past year), Yoda was the most powerful Jedi as far as ROTS.

I can believe it. 877 years is a LONG time.

That age is based on Luke being 23 in ROTJ where Yoda was 900. 900-13=877

Yeah, well, that little green sh*t was tough.

Is there even an exact age for Luke as of ROTJ? I saw something somewhere where his age was 20 as of ANH, ESB was 3 years later, and ROTJ was 6 months after ESB, tops.

Not sure how accurate it is, but it seems reasonable.

Originally posted by Pwned
Is there even an exact age for Luke as of ROTJ? I saw something somewhere where his age was 20 as of ANH, ESB was 3 years later, and ROTJ was 6 months after ESB, tops.

Not sure how accurate it is, but it seems reasonable.

So I was 1 year off on his age. And less than a year off for the Battle of Endor. It was reasonable, I said, I wasn't to far off

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Hmm, so are the excerpts from the OT Novels really valid in this discussion, then?

Per the continuity guide, movies outrank novelizations and everything else {including the scripts}, though anything that comes from Lucas also qualifies as G-canon. Novelizations are C-canon with the possible exception of ROTS because Lucas line-edited the novelization personally. But when there is outright irreconcilable contradictions, we are bound to defer to the films.

ANH may be an exception as well, since I believe it was written by Lucas himself and ghost written by Alan Dean Foster.

Originally posted by dgeoro_scattere
Per the continuity guide, movies outrank novelizations and everything else {including the scripts}, though anything that comes from Lucas also qualifies as G-canon. Novelizations are C-canon with the possible exception of ROTS because Lucas line-edited the novelization personally. But when there is outright irreconcilable contradictions, we are bound to defer to the films.

ANH may be an exception as well, since I believe it was written by Lucas himself and ghost written by Alan Dean Foster.

Hmm. That's what I thought.. 📖

Originally posted by dgeoro_scattere
Per the continuity guide, movies outrank novelizations and everything else {including the scripts}, though anything that comes from Lucas also qualifies as G-canon. Novelizations are C-canon with the possible exception of ROTS because Lucas line-edited the novelization personally. But when there is outright irreconcilable contradictions, we are bound to defer to the films.

ANH may be an exception as well, since I believe it was written by Lucas himself and ghost written by Alan Dean Foster.

RotS still contradicts the final version of the films though. It's clearly established that the most recent incarnations of the film are the highest canon, so RotS' viability as a canon source is questionable.

Only the parts that are irreconcilable with the film.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Really?

Wookieepedia is not a reliable source. 😉😛

Uh huh.

Originally posted by dgeoro_scattere
Yes. If your son subdues you with greater force than what you're applying against him, he's overpowered you. If you never lift a hand against him and fall down on purpose, then sure, I'd agree.

Sorry man, but no. The fundamental definition of overpower means to subdue;

O`ver`pow´er
To excel or exceed in power; to cause to yield by superior power; to vanquish; to subdue; as, the light overpowers the eyes.

If I allow my son to "beat" me by holding back against an opponent who is FAR outmatched/outclassed, then it can hardly be stated that he 'overpowered' me. Moreover, since overpower means to subdue, I provide the following:

sub·due/səbˈd(y)o͞o/
Verb:
Overcome or bring under control (a feeling or person).
Bring (a country or people) under control by force.

Now, it cannot be said that I have been brought under control when in fact I can choose to do what I want, whenever I choose, if that's what I choose to do. Get it? And when arguing Star Wars, semantics is extremely important, especially in this type of setting since every little detail is scrutinized.

...and Mace would use it to increase his already impressive saber fighting skills. His precision increases because he falls deeper into Vapaad as he loops the power around. I think that the deeper into Vapaad he goes, the better he gets at saber fighting. But if he has to loop dark power around from his opponent to do his very best and strike faster than the eye can see, then I don't see it happening agaisnt a Light user. He is still formidable, but he isn't nigh unbeatable.

But don't get me wrong. I bet on Luke in this duel myself, it's just I am giving due respect to other characters.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
we'll have to go by later novels where Luke states that Vader held back on him.

With the Force. The novel to which you refer does not state anything about Vader holding back in Sabers.

So for that the best source would be the novel, the script and the movie itself. None of which show any signs of Vader holding back in Sabers.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
With the Force. The novel to which you refer does not state anything about Vader holding back in Sabers.

So for that the best source would be the novel, the script and the movie itself. None of which show any signs of Vader holding back in Sabers.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Sorry man, but no. The fundamental definition of overpower means to subdue;

O`ver`pow´er
To excel or exceed in power; to cause to yield by superior power; to vanquish; to subdue; as, the light overpowers the eyes.

Vader's defenses were overpowered.