Originally posted by Classic NES
That's not an energy example.
I was talking about these--
Originally posted by Classic NES
Also, the power within the hammer can, also, destroy an entire World- Fantastic Four-#339. In fact, the full power of the hammer can radiate with the energy of a THOUSAND SUNS…enough to even destroy an Entity such as Surtur. Thor stated AFFIRMATIVELY that this incomprehensible energy gathered by his hammer would have, indeed, destroyed Surtur… the eldest, and probably the most powerful Elemental in the Marvel Universe. Only the Twighlight Sword saved Surtur from destruction-Thor-#351.
First one could be referring to physical force, but it appears to be implying energy blasts.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Scan?
I'm getting the potential size based on him saying it could demolish Earth, comparing to the theory of how the Moon was formed.
Originally posted by Classic NES
I just posted the scans as a sample of what Mjolnir could do cause someone apparently asked for feats. I wasn't discerning at all.
So you just weren't paying attention. 😠
Originally posted by biensalsaI did accept them what I didn't accept was your interpretation.
😆 then accept the scans of the dark dimension and stop crying about them.You know what? going back at our first debate of Superboy Prime vs WBH, I regret now that I did not left you on the kiddie table with Carver.
You are just to immature to accept when you are wrong and make sh1t up, like a kid.
"re-read the entire series" MY ASS.
What have I made up ? That's what you do not I. Quit projecting, friend.
That's what you implied otherwise why mention anything. A comic doesn't take that long to reread.
Originally posted by Delta1938I'm getting the potential size based on him saying it could demolish Earth, comparing to the theory of how the Moon was formed.
Delta, his powers were in flux at the time. It even says he's amped in the scan.
His power level kept increasing, until he started to "Hulk out" with his muscles swelling with power, and being unable to switch off his hv. And even before this, he was so powerful he was pushing over buildings and nearly knocking Bizarro Supermans head off, just by touching them.
Originally posted by Delta1938No, you knew what I meant and others agreed you're trying to argue over semantics over a joke, nerd.
No, it's you're too stubborn so you're desperately grasping at them straws, Quan.
You conceded. I accepted.
🙄 What was argued is the relevance of your point. It has none. It's a strawman. End of story.[/B]
Was losing against who ?Wonder Woman was losing.[/B]
Are you saying Lobo isn't stronger ?
Not from what I've seen."I hold back. Barely." No, she didn't hold back something fierce, Quanny.
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She did hold back while he didn't. Fact.
It applies to all. It also applies to magical strength as well. Any way you slice it I am correct. If you think a tiara can cut thru his throat like a magical tiara then good luck with all that. Magical punches/strength have more of an effect on him than pure force because he's less vulnerable against it.
Irrelevant strawman, Quancakes. You're getting desperate because the topic is about blunt force, not edged weapons. The fact that you won't admit this has nothing to do with force, or her punches and kicks on Superman, shows how desperate you are.[/B]
It works both ways. A magical punch hurts more than a non magical punch. A magical object hurts more than a nonmagical object. I am consistent while you're all over the place. I am consistent while you're becoming the Skip Bayless of comics.
You continue to prove my point. There's a huge difference between a mystical being's fist and an enchanted sharp object, Einstein.[/B]
They do have an advantage that doesn't mean they are more formidable due to this edge. It's just an undeniable advantage. You can pretend it isn't I will just continue to chuckle.
One: It's a statement, not a showing. Superman might've said Cap had the edge 'cuz of magick, but you sure as Hell didn't see anything like that. Made all the more damning to your argument because Superman was at less than peak condition from all the fights he had before, energy drain and Kryptonite. Two: Pretty much every other statement I've seen has been talking about spells or things like mystical environments, not because an opponent is a mystical creature/being that they have some advantage in a hand-to-hand fight. Nor do I see energy blasts disproportionately effecting him.
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You're just unreasonable when it comes to him.
Well then that shows how competent you are when it comes to Superman.[/B]
Every cheapshot you take at me lets me know I am getting to know. Continue to lash out while I debate.
It is tragic how you think you're right when you're not. Must really hurt your life outside the Internet. Of course you'll deny this, but you've proven to lie numerous times over.[/B]
Thanos Sourcebook is proof and it's my opinion. It isn't canon to Thanos. I could care less what you think it's not canon.
You still have no proof and only circumstantial evidence against it. And you continuing to argue it while commanding me to drop it proves how insecure you are. Let's make a deal. You concede that you have no proof, and I'll drop it. You don't even have to admit that it's canon, just admit you have no proof it's not. Of course you probably don't have the balls to do this. [/B]
Originally posted by cdtm
Delta, his powers were in flux at the time. It even says he's amped in the scan.His power level kept increasing, until he started to "Hulk out" with his muscles swelling with power, and being unable to switch off his hv. And even before this, he was so powerful he was pushing over buildings and nearly knocking Bizarro Supermans head off, just by touching them.
No, this was before his powers started going out of control. He was talking about how he got stronger. And Superman's had power-ups since then anyways.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you knew what I meant and others agreed you're trying to argue over semantics over a joke, nerd.
The irony of you calling someone "nerd." You were wrong and can't fess-up to it.
Originally posted by cdtm
You conceded. I accepted.
This is why I think you're either retarded, or have mental problems. You're "accepting" something that wasn't argued, other than the fact that it was a strawman on your part.
Originally posted by cdtm
Was losing against who ?
Deimos.
Originally posted by cdtm
Are you saying Lobo isn't stronger ?
He hasn't looked noticeably stronger to me against Superman.
Originally posted by cdtm
She did hold back while he didn't. Fact.
Nope.
If you want someone to suffer before you kill them, you're not going all-out. So nope, he wasn't going all-out. Not to mention your argument is an utter strawman because you said--
Originally posted by quanchi112
Lobo is a lot stronger than Wonderwoman and she held back something fierce in 219. She sliced open his throat but spared the man. She held back in that instance.
--which means you're claiming she held back a LOT. But she did not.
She barely held back. By her own words. Not to mention that this is a strawman since it proves nothing that her punches hurt him more because she's mystical. So, you throw-out a strawman and can't even get it right if we ignore it's a strawman. Admit Quanny, you're wrong.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It applies to all. It also applies to magical strength as well. Any way you slice it I am correct. If you think a tiara can cut thru his throat like a magical tiara then good luck with all that. Magical punches/strength have more of an effect on him than pure force because he's less vulnerable against it.It works both ways. A magical punch hurts more than a non magical punch. A magical object hurts more than a nonmagical object. I am consistent while you're all over the place. I am consistent while you're becoming the Skip Bayless of comics.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. You made a claim, you can't back it up, so you throw-out strawmen. You're wrong.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They do have an advantage that doesn't mean they are more formidable due to this edge. It's just an undeniable advantage. You can pretend it isn't I will just continue to chuckle.
Captain Marvel showed no edge against Superman, despite the fact that Superman was worn-down, had some solar energy drained, and was effected by Kryptonite. Nor have I ever seen anybody have an edge hand-to-hand because they're a mystical being.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You're just unreasonable when it comes to him.
Nope, not at all. But you're incompetent when it comes to him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Every cheapshot you take at me lets me know I am getting to know. Continue to lash out while I debate.
This is one of many examples of you either having poor reading comprehension, or an over bloated ego and way too high opinion of yourself. You take that as me "lashing-out." It wasn't.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos Sourcebook is proof and it's my opinion. It isn't canon to Thanos. I could care less what you think it's not canon.
No, it's not proof. If it's anything, it's corroborative evidence, except you've given nothing for it to corroborate. See? You can't even admit you have no proof, even though I allowed you not to be required to admit it's canon, just admit you have no proof it's not.
Originally posted by Delta1938I was correct and you went totally nerd about a joke. Quit being a nerd, nerd.The irony of you calling someone "nerd." You were wrong and can't fess-up to it.
Your hatred is strong. I love it. You conceded I accepted. Move on, soldier.
This is why I think you're either retarded, or have mental problems. You're "accepting" something that wasn't argued, other than the fact that it was a strawman on your part.[/B]
That's formidability not durability.
Deimos.[/B]
Are you kidding me ? You are comparing Lobo's strength to Wonderwoman who relies on skill much more so than a brick. Chuckles a bit.He hasn't looked noticeably stronger to me against Superman.[/B]
He says I wanted him to suffer. I wanted him to burn. I wanted him dead. Superman wanted to prolong his suffering but he went all out. He tried throwing her/him into the sun. You're so biased it's fun to destroy your arguments and even your own scans do so.
Nope.If you want someone to suffer before you kill them, you're not going all-out. So nope, he wasn't going all-out. Not to mention your argument is an utter strawman because you said--[/B]
She did when she cut his throat open. She had him there clutching his throat. That's when she held back something fierce. 🙂--which means you're claiming she held back a LOT. But she did not.
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She barely held back then but later had him dead to rights and spared him. You are confused and wrong.
She barely held back. By her own words. Not to mention that this is a strawman since it proves nothing that her punches hurt him more because she's mystical. So, you throw-out a strawman and can't even get it right if we ignore it's a strawman. Admit Quanny, you're wrong.[/B]
No, it's correct in every sense of the word. Atlas' magical strength was a problem for Superman. It was a problem because it was magical in nature. You seem to lack knowledge when it comes to Superman. The other examples all fit my logic while you are literally all over the place.Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. You made a claim, you can't back it up, so you throw-out strawmen. You're wrong.[/B]
That's formidability. Superman is more formidable than Marvel. He's a lot more skilled and experienced. But you can't disregard statements that are clearly meant to have a certain meaning just because you're a fanboy.
Captain Marvel showed no edge against Superman, despite the fact that Superman was worn-down, had some solar energy drained, and was effected by Kryptonite. Nor have I ever seen anybody have an edge hand-to-hand because they're a mystical being.
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Cut aside the personal comments and stick to the debate.
Nope, not at all. But you're incompetent when it comes to him.[/B]
You are really mad. I get that. Just relax I just want to debate. I don't take these things personally.
This is one of many examples of you either having poor reading comprehension, or an over bloated ego and way too high opinion of yourself. You take that as me "lashing-out." It wasn't.No, it's not proof. If it's anything, it's corroborative evidence, except you've given nothing for it to corroborate. See? You can't even admit you have no proof, even though I allowed you not to be required to admit it's canon, just admit you have no proof it's not. [/B]
The Thanos Sourcebook is an entire book dedicated to his continuity. That's it's purpose so since it isn't in there and in another Thanos bio nor referenced in another canon book it isn't canon. Simple.
Concession accepted.
Originally posted by Delta1938
No, this was before his powers started going out of control. He was talking about how he got stronger. And Superman's had power-ups since then anyways.
The power upgrade starts just after the Lobo fight, though. This scan you posted is after Superman gets lost in space, and fought the alien Champion, which happens quite a bit after the Lobo fight.
Because of how his powers were constantly increasing, any feats at all from this era should be suspect, although personally I think the ones from the Lobo fight are fine, and anything afterwards should be taken with a grain of salt.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I was correct and you went totally nerd about a joke. Quit being a nerd, nerd.
YOU might believe that. But saying it over and over again doesn't make it true. And I guess you love the irony making you it's *****.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Your hatred is strong. I love it. You conceded I accepted. Move on, soldier.
There was no hatred whatsoever when I pointed-out why I think you're either retarded, or have mental issues. And it wasn't even an insult, merely pointing-out what's wrong with you. There was no concession whatsoever, you were arguing over something that wasn't being argued because of your innate requirement to be "right" no matter how wrong you are, so you make-up conflicts that don't exist so you can claim "concession accepted." If this is how you really are off the Internet, you need help, Quan. That's my honest observation.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That's formidability not durability.
She was unable to break the restrains that came from his own body, so he was too durable for her to break with her bare hands.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you kidding me ? You are comparing Lobo's strength to Wonderwoman who relies on skill much more so than a brick. Chuckles a bit.
Nope, not kidding. But the funny thing is you just gave a contradictory reason. You tried to claim that Wonder Woman's punches effect Superman disproportionately because she's a mystical being, but here you go and state she relies a lot on skill. So unless you concede that this is a potential reason for why she hurts him more than you think she could, you prove you're a hypocrite.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He says I wanted him to suffer. I wanted him to burn. I wanted him dead. Superman wanted to prolong his suffering but he went all out. He tried throwing her/him into the sun. You're so biased it's fun to destroy your arguments and even your own scans do so.
Nope, he wasn't going all-out. He blatantly says "I wanted to make him suffer first." Fail Quan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
She did when she cut his throat open. She had him there clutching his throat. That's when she held back something fierce. 🙂
She barely held back then but later had him dead to rights and spared him. You are confused and wrong.
Oh I see, you're sticking to the strawman. Her tiara has nothing to do with her punches. But you're too stubborn, stupid, or both to admit to it. By the way, you leave-out that her throwing the tiara only even worked in the first place because of the circumstances. If he had been aware of his actual situation, she could've thrown it with the intent to kill and would've failed. But it doesn't matter, because the tiara is an irrelevant strawman anyways.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it's correct in every sense of the word. Atlas' magical strength was a problem for Superman. It was a problem because it was magical in nature. You seem to lack knowledge when it comes to Superman. The other examples all fit my logic while you are literally all over the place.
Nope, it's wrong. I'd have to take a look again, but I require there being something involved with Atlas that was NOT because his strength was "mystical" but a different factor. But even if it is, hilarious that you think one example somehow proves me wrong, when I gave 4 other examples of mystical beings not hurting him disproportionately because their strength is mystically based. And it's a dumb argument anyways. I mean it's not like they've got a spell that allows them to hit with mystical force, they're as strong as they are because of magick, but it's still regular blunt force they're producing.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That's formidability. Superman is more formidable than Marvel. He's a lot more skilled and experienced. But you can't disregard statements that are clearly meant to have a certain meaning just because you're a fanboy.
hahah You how exactly would Superman be that much more formidable than Captain Marvel if Billy really does have an edge based purely on his magick nature, AND Superman was already worn-down, drained of solar energy AND effected by Kryptonite? I would think those 3 factors would overcome what you're arguing.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Cut aside the personal comments and stick to the debate.
"Personal comments?" It's entirely relevant because you're ignorant of Superman and have hate towards him, thus you're incompetent when it comes to the character.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are really mad. I get that. Just relax I just want to debate. I don't take these things personally.
Nope, not mad at all. But you do need professional help.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Thanos Sourcebook is an entire book dedicated to his continuity. That's it's purpose so since it isn't in there and in another Thanos bio nor referenced in another canon book it isn't canon. Simple.Concession accepted.
So you have no proof whatsoever, just an example that would be corroborative evidence if you had any actual evidence to begin with. Oh and here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Concession given.
Fixed and accepted. Thank you Quanny for admitting it's just a case of you WANT it to be non-canon.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
To anyone who thinks Thors hammer strikes are more powerful than superman's fists, what is this based on? Tell me what you think are the top 5 striking feats from Thors hammer and I'll guarantee I'll top them by a LOT with showings of superman's fists.
What ever happened to the showings? NES already came up with some for Blondie. Let's see some for the big blue boy scout.
*takes out the popcorn*
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Originally posted by Delta1938Others have also said it. It was a joke you nerded out.
YOU might believe that. But saying it over and over again doesn't make it true. And I guess you love the irony making you it's *****.
Cease with the insults. I am taking lighthearted jabs here but you're just straight bashing.
There was no hatred whatsoever when I pointed-out why I think you're either retarded, or have mental issues. And it wasn't even an insult, merely pointing-out what's wrong with you. There was no concession whatsoever, you were arguing over something that wasn't being argued because of your innate requirement to be "right" no matter how wrong you are, so you make-up conflicts that don't exist so you can claim "concession accepted." If this is how you really are off the Internet, you need help, Quan. That's my honest observation. [/B]
You were wrong. Just accept defeat and move on.
So you now believe he's more durable than Superman. Ok.
She was unable to break the restrains that came from his own body, so he was too durable for her to break with her bare hands. [/B]
Her objects which are magical do so. Her punches aren't as strong as his punches and he's more durable so that negates the mystical advantage in this instance. She relies on formidability through skill because he's stronger and more durable than she is. The magical advantage is taken away and negated by these two advantages for Superman in this case.
Nope, not kidding. But the funny thing is you just gave a contradictory reason. You tried to claim that Wonder Woman's punches effect Superman disproportionately because she's a mystical being, but here you go and state she relies a lot on skill. So unless you concede that this is a potential reason for why she hurts him more than you think she could, you prove you're a hypocrite. [/B]
And he tries to kill her on panel. On one instance you say the statements don't add up and here is a case of your own logic thrown in your face here. He tried to kill her by throwing her into the sun. He wanted her/him to suffer first but trying to throw someone into the sun is trying to kill that person. He wanted her/him to suffer but wasn't holding back and actually tried to kill her/him. Irony.
Nope, he wasn't going all-out. He blatantly says "I wanted to make him suffer first." Fail Quan. [/B]
I never said it did. Her tiara is comparable to a tiara. Her punches aren't as strong as Superman's and the advantage is diminished due to him being stronger than she is and more durable in general. Your logic says any tiara could cut his throat open which is laughable.
Oh I see, you're sticking to the strawman. Her tiara has nothing to do with her punches. But you're too stubborn, stupid, or both to admit to it. By the way, you leave-out that her throwing the tiara only even worked in the first place because of the circumstances. If he had been aware of his actual situation, she could've thrown it with the intent to kill and would've failed. But it doesn't matter, because the tiara is an irrelevant strawman anyways.
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I gave you one example where his strength is a problem because it's magical in nature. That's a direct example proving you wrong. Stew on it. Your examples lacked objectivity and were delusional to say the least.
Nope, it's wrong. I'd have to take a look again, but I require there being something involved with Atlas that was NOT because his strength was "mystical" but a different factor. But even if it is, hilarious that you think one example somehow proves me wrong, when I gave 4 other examples of mystical beings not hurting him disproportionately because their strength is mystically based. And it's a dumb argument anyways. I mean it's not like they've got a spell that allows them to hit with mystical force, they're as strong as they are because of magick, but it's still regular blunt force they're producing. [/B]
You're biased to the point of hilarity. I bring up examples and seem to understand him far better than you do. You think all tiaras can slice him open. 🙂
hahah You how exactly would Superman be that much more formidable than Captain Marvel if Billy really does have an edge based purely on his magick nature, AND Superman was already worn-down, drained of solar energy AND effected by Kryptonite? I would think those 3 factors would overcome what you're arguing. [QUOTE] You're trying to equate formidability to durability. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. The statements make it clear magic is a weakness and a disadvantage for Superman. It's rammed home over and over again. I could care less what you think it's clear as day.[QUOTE]
"Personal comments?" It's entirely relevant because you're ignorant of Superman and have hate towards him, thus you're incompetent when it comes to the character. [/B]
You're Michael Myers angry.Nope, not mad at all. But you do need professional help. [/B]
The Thanos Sourcebook is a comic which you cited is evidence. It's a body of work which covers his canon appearances. It isn't canon for him. By your own criteria it works. Thanos thanks you for your concession.So you have no proof whatsoever, just an example that would be corroborative evidence if you had any actual evidence to begin with. Oh and here.
Fixed and accepted. Thank you Quanny for admitting it's just a case of you WANT it to be non-canon. [/B]