Superman vs Thor (punching contest)

Originally posted by Delta1938
Keep grasping, those straws make ya feel better.

And what does her tiara(or any other enchanted edged, really) have to do with BLUNT FORCE? And this is a strawman. I said punches from her and others show no greater effect on him than punches from equivalently strong non-mystical opponents. [/B]

Whatever your opinion is on whether they're wins or not is irrelevant. Why did you bring-up their record in the first place? As some type of flawed argument(if there aren't fights I'm unaware of) or genuine curiosity?
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I guess was wrong and gave you too much credit to figure-out why I did. Sorry for my mistake.

"Official" information isn't always accurate, nor does it always cover all appearances. It's not a WHAT IF?, so it's up to you to provide proof that it was an alternate universe or something. It having an outcome you don't like or it "not being serious" aren't reasons to make it non-canon. [/B]

It was the Thanos Sourcebook to cover just his appearances. In no other bios or comic has that showing ever been mentioned. I gave you my reasoning why I don't believe it's canon. I don't care what your opinion is but at least you have mine to ease yourself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I beg to differ. I was not grasping at straws you tried to get me into a battle of semantics when you clearly knew what I meant on a message board over an obvious joke.

Those straws sure make you feel better.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think a magical tiara can cut through his skin easier than a regular tiara but I guess you disagree. Ironic.

I never said it wouldn't, but an enchanted edged weapon is a lot different from blunt force. And either you're clinging to this strawman, or you really are oblivious. What does it have to do with me pointing-out mystically powered opponents don't hurt him any more with their punches than non-mystically powered opponents of equivalent strength?

Oh and for the record, that tiara's decapitated Ares' son, a mystical being, so he didn't show any greater resistance to it than Superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Punches from a weaker being such as Wonderwoman hurt him. They always have but wins and losses has to do with overall formidability.

So are you oblivious, or are you just intentionally throwing out these strawmen? I never said Wonder Woman couldn't hurt him with her punches. I said she doesn't hurt him ANY MORE than someone without magick and as strong as her.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Can you not remember what you posted 20 minutes or so ago ? You brought up wins/losses so I asked you a question since you acted like Superman has a winning record against Black Adam.

For someone who thinks he's never wrong with me, you sure miss my points a lot. If Black Adam's punches should hurt Superman disproportionately because of magick, then he'd have hurt Superman a whole lot more. Just like anybody else I mentioned. Unless you're intentionally ignoring it for the sake of your argument, you seem to be confusing, "Disproportionate damage" with "it shouldn't hurt" and similar mistakes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Look, you can quit with the insults and try to just debate.

Then don't try to act like I'm the dumb one because I figured you were intelligent enough to understand why I was posting those links.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was the Thanos Sourcebook to cover just his appearances. In no other bios or comic has that showing ever been mentioned. I gave you my reasoning why I don't believe it's canon. I don't care what your opinion is but at least you have mine to ease yourself.

So you don't have anything in the comics showing it's not canon. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Those straws sure make you feel better.

I never said it wouldn't, but an enchanted edged weapon is a lot different from blunt force. And either you're clinging to this strawman, or you really are oblivious. What does it have to do with me pointing-out mystically powered opponents don't hurt him any more with their punches than non-mystically powered opponents of equivalent strength?
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Oh and for the record, that tiara's decapitated Ares' son, a mystical being, so he didn't show any greater resistance to it than Superman.[/B]

So are you oblivious, or are you just intentionally throwing out these strawmen? I never said Wonder Woman couldn't hurt him with her punches. I said she doesn't hurt him ANY MORE than someone without magick and as strong as her.
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For someone who thinks he's never wrong with me, you sure miss my points a lot. If Black Adam's punches should hurt Superman disproportionately because of magick, then he'd have hurt Superman a whole lot more. Just like anybody else I mentioned. Unless you're intentionally ignoring it for the sake of your argument, you seem to be confusing, "Disproportionate damage" with "it shouldn't hurt" and similar mistakes.[/B]

Then don't try to act like I'm the dumb one because I figured you were intelligent enough to understand why I was posting those links.

So you don't have anything in the comics showing it's not canon. Concession accepted. [/B]

Thanos' Sourcebook discusses what is canon to Thanos. That was it's entire purpose. It's very specific. The Sg showing was an in house joke. You can believe it's canon but I don't. It's off topic anyway and since you have my opinion drop it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You knew what I meant as did others so I was right.

Nope, you were wrong.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying a mystical weapon can cut through his skin a lot easier than a nonmystical weapon can.

And I never disputed that an enchanted edged weapon can cut him. What does this have to do with punches? Either provide an actual, solid reason, or admit you didn't understand what I meant, or you prove this was a strawman on your part.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you feel Ares' son is on Superman's level durability wise. Ok.

I dunno what Deimos' level was at, but it's an example to show a mystical being was no less vulnerable to it than Superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then you are ignoring continuity with regards to magic and Superman to say so. I tend to go with what the comics tell me not what your opinion is. It's clearly flawed.

No, I actually AM paying attention to continuity. You're providing a strawman. Provide examples backing your claim that mystical beings hurt Superman with their punches more than equivalently strong non-mystical beings.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Magic is a weakness. It's been rammed down the readers throat.

No, it's not. It's a vulnerability. Being a weakness would mean it actually makes him weaker/reduces his powers, like Kryptonite or red solar energy do. He doesn't get hurt more because he's punched by Black Adam anymore than he does when he gets punched by Kalibak or Orion. Now if you're talking about a spell hitting him, yeah, do something to him depending on it's intended effect, but that's because it's a spell and he has no particular resistance or direct defense against them. A punch from a mystical being? Not so much.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You brought up their records and I said what is it ? Then you proceeded to tell me Superman has two victories over him to which I laughed.

OK, if you think Black Adam/Captain Marvel are equal to Superman physically, and think that them being mystical beings would make them hurt him more than another Kryptonian, then isn't it reasonable that someone like Adam(who's trained, experienced and doesn't hold back) would have done a whole lot better against Superman the two times he fought than they did?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit insulting and stick to the debate at hand.

How was that an insult?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos' Sourcebook discusses what is canon to Thanos. That was it's entire purpose. It's very specific. The Sg showing was an in house joke. You can believe it's canon but I don't. It's off topic anyway and since you have my opinion drop it.

So nothing from the comics proving it's non-canon. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Nope, you were wrong.

And I never disputed that an enchanted edged weapon can cut him. What does this have to do with punches? Either provide an actual, solid reason, or admit you didn't understand what I meant, or you prove this was a strawman on your part.[/B]

I dunno what Deimos' level was at, but it's an example to show a mystical being was no less vulnerable to it than Superman.[/B]

No, I actually AM paying attention to continuity. You're providing a strawman. Provide examples backing your claim that mystical beings hurt Superman with their punches more than equivalently strong non-mystical beings.[/B]

No, it's not. It's a vulnerability. Being a weakness would mean it actually makes him weaker/reduces his powers, like Kryptonite or red solar energy do. He doesn't get hurt more because he's punched by Black Adam anymore than he does when he gets punched by Kalibak or Orion. Now if you're talking about a spell hitting him, yeah, do something to him depending on it's intended effect, but that's because it's a spell and he has no particular resistance or direct defense against them. A punch from a mystical being? Not so much.[/B]

Why has magic been listed or cited as having an advantage for Captain Marvel against Superman when heh has cast no spells but just punched him ? Hmm.

OK, if you think Black Adam/Captain Marvel are equal to Superman physically, and think that them being mystical beings would make them hurt him more than another Kryptonian, then isn't it reasonable that someone like Adam(who's trained, experienced and doesn't hold back) would have done a whole lot better against Superman the two times he fought than they did?
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How was that an insult?

So nothing from the comics proving it's non-canon. Concession accepted. [/B]

Thanos Sourcebook is a comic. It isn't canon and I explained why now drop it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did you know what I meant by Russia ?

I know you were wrong. That's all that matters.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am comparing an edged weapon to a mystical edged weapon. I think punches and mystical punches are different as well.

No, you're using a strawman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you can't even tell me what his durability level is then why mention it at all. It shows you aren't even aware of how durable he was at the time.

If he was the son of Ares, I would think he'd be fairly powerful. And it's still relevant, because he was powerful enough that Wonder Woman was losing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not going to bother scanning pages just for you to ignore them.

OK, let me ask this then. Where has Wonder Woman hurt Superman with her punches more than say Lobo?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you are attempting to define what weakness is while falsely comparing it to something which depowers or drains him.

And weakness would be something that weakens him. Magick doesn't. Nor do we see him disproportionately hurt by it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why has magic been listed or cited as having an advantage for Captain Marvel against Superman when heh has cast no spells but just punched him ? Hmm.

Showings are usually taken over Statements. Statements are nice to support. But we read Superman narrating Captain Marvel has the edge, and see the exact opposite. While Superman's in less than peak condition, to boot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They never fought to the finish and it comes down to formidability in the end.

Yet, Black Adam never showed to effect Superman more than say General Zod or Ultraman or Bizarro.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you don't know what insult means then don't pretend to.

I know what insult means. I didn't insult you in that statement I made. I assumed you'd be capable of figuring it out when I posted the links. If you're insulted, well, that's not my problem.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos Sourcebook is a comic. It isn't canon and I explained why now drop it.

That's nice that it's a comic. Still doesn't prove Squirrel Girl's victory over him is non-canon. Unless you can provide something from the comic itself saying it was a WHAT IF?, it's canon. The fact that you're telling me to drop it, or we're going off-topic, ect but you keep clinging to the you were right about WWII shows how insecure you are about a rodent-mimicking mutant and her pet squirrel beating him. And it might be considered off-topic, but it's relevant. It's proof that you will dismiss canon comics, despite your claim you accept the showings.

Thor w/Mjolnir >> Superman's punch > Thor's punch

To anyone who thinks Thors hammer strikes are more powerful than superman's fists, what is this based on? Tell me what you think are the top 5 striking feats from Thors hammer and I'll guarantee I'll top them by a LOT with showings of superman's fists.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
To anyone who thinks Thors hammer strikes are more powerful than superman's fists, what is this based on? Tell me what you think are the top 5 striking feats from Thors hammer and I'll guarantee I'll top them by a LOT with showings of superman's fists.

Nice. Let's see some feats!

Originally posted by Delta1938
I know you were wrong. That's all that matters.

No, you're using a strawman.[/B]

If he was the son of Ares, I would think he'd be fairly powerful. And it's still relevant, because he was powerful enough that Wonder Woman was losing.
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OK, let me ask this then. Where has Wonder Woman hurt Superman with her punches more than say Lobo?[/B]

And weakness would be something that weakens him. Magick doesn't. Nor do we see him disproportionately hurt by it.[/B]

Showings are usually taken over Statements. Statements are nice to support. But we read Superman narrating Captain Marvel has the edge, and see the exact opposite. While Superman's in less than peak condition, to boot.[/B]

Yet, Black Adam never showed to effect Superman more than say General Zod or Ultraman or Bizarro.[/B]

I know what insult means. I didn't insult you in that statement I made. I assumed you'd be capable of figuring it out when I posted the links. If you're insulted, well, that's not my problem.
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That's nice that it's a comic. Still doesn't prove Squirrel Girl's victory over him is non-canon. Unless you can provide something from the comic itself saying it was a WHAT IF?, it's canon. The fact that you're telling me to drop it, or we're going off-topic, ect but you keep clinging to the you were right about WWII shows how insecure you are about a rodent-mimicking mutant and her pet squirrel beating him. And it might be considered off-topic, but it's relevant. It's proof that you will dismiss canon comics, despite your claim you accept the showings. [/B]

You can disagree all you want my opinion won't change. This also is irrelevant to the thread so drop it.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nice. Let's see some feats!

Thor's hammer is capable of shattering entire Mountains- Thor-#156, pulverizing small Planetoids (see Thor#400), could shake an entire planet (see Thor#388), or even destroy an entire World- Thor-#125. With just a hard tap (with the hammer) Thor completely broke Loki's arm. Thor simply holds back against his opponent because he doesn't want to take a life- see Thor#305. However, when he decides to end someone’s existence he could do it with just a single blow-See Thor’s-#374, where he killed the Super-Strong Mutant Block-Buster with just a blow from Mjolnir. To really analyze the full strength of Thor’s hammer- in Thor#388, Thor shook the planet Pangoria without even hitting the surface of the planet (the Celestial Exitar took the hit). What this mean is: that you can drop a dozen Hydrogen Bombs in one single place, or point, and that still wouldn't shake a whole planet. B) Also, the power within the hammer can, also, destroy an entire World- Fantastic Four-#339. In fact, the full power of the hammer can radiate with the energy of a THOUSAND SUNS…enough to even destroy an Entity such as Surtur. Thor stated AFFIRMATIVELY that this incomprehensible energy gathered by his hammer would have, indeed, destroyed Surtur… the eldest, and probably the most powerful Elemental in the Marvel Universe. Only the Twighlight Sword saved Surtur from destruction-Thor-#351.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I accept all canon showings. I always do.

😆 then accept the scans of the dark dimension and stop crying about them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said Lucifer imposed his will which he most assuredly did so. I am interested in the battlezone then you acted fine and then wanted to reread the entire series.

You know what? going back at our first debate of Superboy Prime vs WBH, I regret now that I did not left you on the kiddie table with Carver.

You are just to immature to accept when you are wrong and make sh1t up, like a kid.

"re-read the entire series" MY ASS.

I think he might've been talking about feats for Superman, but anyways.....

Originally posted by Classic NES
Thor's hammer is capable of shattering entire Mountains-

meh Not impressed.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Thor-#156, pulverizing small Planetoids (see Thor#400),

Pre-NO LIMITS! Superman one-shot an asteroid likely larger than Mars.

Originally posted by Classic NES
could shake an entire planet (see Thor#388),

If I could see the scan or get more context I'd be able to respond better.

Originally posted by Classic NES
or even destroy an entire World- Thor-#125.

Was this actually done? Or was this a statement that very well could've been hyperbole?

Originally posted by Classic NES
With just a hard tap (with the hammer) Thor completely broke Loki's arm.

How durable is Loki? For comparison, Byrne-level Superman one-shot Maxima with a backhanded bitchslap.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Thor simply holds back against his opponent because he doesn't want to take a life- see Thor#305. However, when he decides to end someone’s existence he could do it with just a single blow-See Thor’s-#374, where he killed the Super-Strong Mutant Block-Buster with just a blow from Mjolnir.

And Superman holds back too and can kill with one blow himself. Plus, you haven't even given context to how durable Block-Buster is.

Originally posted by Classic NES
To really analyze the full strength of Thor’s hammer- in Thor#388, Thor shook the planet Pangoria without even hitting the surface of the planet (the Celestial Exitar took the hit). What this mean is: that you can drop a dozen Hydrogen Bombs in one single place, or point, and that still wouldn't shake a whole planet.

Superman caused a massive crater on the Moon as a side-effect of punching Black Racer during OUR WORLDS AT WAR.

Originally posted by Classic NES
B) Also, the power within the hammer can, also, destroy an entire World- Fantastic Four-#339. In fact, the full power of the hammer can radiate with the energy of a THOUSAND SUNS…enough to even destroy an Entity such as Surtur. Thor stated AFFIRMATIVELY that this incomprehensible energy gathered by his hammer would have, indeed, destroyed Surtur… the eldest, and probably the most powerful Elemental in the Marvel Universe. Only the Twighlight Sword saved Surtur from destruction-Thor-#351.

So, a couple of feats for energy projection? Those are nice, but irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it's a question of semantics but you knew what I meant and it was just a joke, nerd.

No, it's you're too stubborn so you're desperately grasping at them straws, Quan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Concession accepted.

🙄 What was argued is the relevance of your point. It has none. It's a strawman. End of story.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So since Ares from Marvel is the son of Zeus then we consider him Superman's equal as well just because he's somebody's son who happens to be extremely powerful. You have no idea.

Wonder Woman was losing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lobo is a lot stronger than Wonderwoman

Not from what I've seen.

Originally posted by quanchi112
and she held back something fierce in 219.

"I hold back. Barely." No, she didn't hold back something fierce, Quanny.

Originally posted by quanchi112
She sliced open his throat but spared the man. She held back in that instance.

Irrelevant strawman, Quancakes. You're getting desperate because the topic is about blunt force, not edged weapons. The fact that you won't admit this has nothing to do with force, or her punches and kicks on Superman, shows how desperate you are.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It does since he's less vulnerable against it then say pure force. Yes, we do unless you think a regular tiara can cut open his throat.

You continue to prove my point. There's a huge difference between a mystical being's fist and an enchanted sharp object, Einstein.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's not the only showing. We've seen magic directly referenced countless times this is just another example you want to ignore unlike me I accept all canon showings.

One: It's a statement, not a showing. Superman might've said Cap had the edge 'cuz of magick, but you sure as Hell didn't see anything like that. Made all the more damning to your argument because Superman was at less than peak condition from all the fights he had before, energy drain and Kryptonite. Two: Pretty much every other statement I've seen has been talking about spells or things like mystical environments, not because an opponent is a mystical creature/being that they have some advantage in a hand-to-hand fight. Nor do I see energy blasts disproportionately effecting him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Black Adam never really fought until a winner was decided either. If they fought till then I have no doubt Adam would be victorious.

Well then that shows how competent you are when it comes to Superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You still don't know what the word means. Tragic really.

It is tragic how you think you're right when you're not. Must really hurt your life outside the Internet. Of course you'll deny this, but you've proven to lie numerous times over.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The intent of the Thanos Sourcebook is to go over his canon showings while this has been left out. It's also never been referenced in another comic or in another Thanos bio.

You can disagree all you want my opinion won't change. This also is irrelevant to the thread so drop it.

You still have no proof and only circumstantial evidence against it. And you continuing to argue it while commanding me to drop it proves how insecure you are. Let's make a deal. You concede that you have no proof, and I'll drop it. You don't even have to admit that it's canon, just admit you have no proof it's not. Of course you probably don't have the balls to do this.

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Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
To anyone who thinks Thors hammer strikes are more powerful than superman's fists, what is this based on? Tell me what you think are the top 5 striking feats from Thors hammer and I'll guarantee I'll top them by a LOT with showings of superman's fists.

Might as well throw some feats out there:

Shattering a portion of reality with a single shot, busting celestial armor that no sold the super amped odin destroyer, shaking the heavens, knocking odin to his knees, denting an adamtium slab, etc..

Im sure there are some impressive ones that deserve to be mentioned so point them out if you think of them everyone.

My intention was to just show Thors feats not to compare them with Supes.

Originally posted by Delta1938

If I could see the scan or get more context I'd be able to respond better.

"The entire planet is rocked"

Originally posted by Delta1938

Was this actually done? Or was this a statement that very well could've been hyperbole?

It's not hyperbole when you consider that Thor has destroyed planetoids and shook planets.

Originally posted by Classic NES
My intention was to just show Thors feats not to compare them with Supes.

[B]"The entire planet is rocked"

It's not hyperbole when you consider that Thor has destroyed planetoids and shook planets. [/B]

Oh, I just noticed that THOR #388 was mentioned twice. For some reason I thought you were talking about two separate showings. Did you copy/paste that from where I think you did?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Might as well throw some feats out there:

Shattering a portion of reality with a single shot, busting celestial armor that no sold the super amped odin destroyer, shaking the heavens, knocking odin to his knees, denting an adamtium slab, etc..

Im sure there are some impressive ones that deserve to be mentioned so point them out if you think of them everyone.

"Shaking the heavens....?"

Originally posted by Delta1938
Oh, I just noticed that THOR #388 was mentioned twice. For some reason I thought you were talking about two separate showings. Did you copy/paste that from where I think you did?

I got it from a respect thread as a backup reference to my listing.