Originally posted by ares834
Then you interpreted it wrong. Bane and Talia were equals. Hence, why Bane chooses to ignore her "order". Bane was in charge of the military conquest and Talia was in charge of the economic. There is no reason to believe she was telling Bane what to do.
No, they were not equals. While Bane wasn't some moron, he was her lackey and she was the one that had planned out the entire scenario as revenge for her father's death.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
just because he ignores it doesn't make it any less an order you do realize that right? So ignoring the order or not she was clearing giving him an order. He was nothing more then her solider. If I join the army and ignore an order from the ranking officer doesn't make me his partner.......
Accept it certainly didn't come across as an order, more of a suggestion. And even if we say Talia is the leader, which I find to be unfounded, there is no reason to believe she was telling Bane what to do throughout the movie. We see Bane is a tactical genius right from the start when he calls out that one CIA Agent on his BS.
Originally posted by ares834
Accept it certainly didn't come across as an order, more of a suggestion. And even if we say Talia is the leader, which I find to be unfounded, there is no reason to believe she was telling Bane what to do throughout the movie. We see Bane is a tactical genius right from the start when he calls out that one CIA Agent on his BS.
for starters it doesn't take a tactical genius to see the fallacy in shooting someone before throwing them off a plane....
and her stern "NO keep him alive" seemed like an order to me. As far as the rest Im not saying he's stupid because he wasn't he just isn't as smart as people think. There was nothing to show he was her partner and there was certainly no evidence to prove he came up with the plan. What we have to go on is the order Talia gave bane at the end and the story she tells as she dies. Plus she even refers to him as her protector. IMO there is more evidence to support him being her solider then them being partners. In fact it seemed to me Bane didn't care about destroying gotham he just wanted to beat batman but this is just speculation.
So you are just assuming that Talia came up with the plan because you think she is in charge? We never see Talia telling Bane how to execute the plan, and when she is revealed it isn't suggested that she even came up with it. Bane, on the other hand, shows us his genius throughout the movie like how he escapes from the Stock Market.
And nah, he seems to be into destroying Gotham. Ra's saved him from the Pit, I could see him having some affection for the guy even if Ra's ousted him. Plus he continues to go on and on about how he will fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny.
Originally posted by ares834
So you are just assuming that Talia came up with the plan because you think she is in charge? We never see Talia telling Bane how to execute the plan, and when she is revealed it isn't suggested that she even came up with it. Bane, on the other hand, shows us his genius throughout the movie like how he escapes from the Stock Market.And nah, he seems to be into destroying Gotham. Ra's saved him from the Pit, I could see him having some affection for the guy even if Ra's ousted him. Plus he continues to go on and on about how he will fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny.
Originally posted by Lestov16
It must suck to be Bane. For the second time in a row he has become the henchman for a villainess 😆
Yes. Though Bane was ousted by the League due to his monstrous nature. One Talia no doubt took advantage of.
Originally posted by ares834
So you are just assuming that Talia came up with the plan because you think she is in charge? We never see Talia telling Bane how to execute the plan, and when she is revealed it isn't suggested that she even came up with it. Bane, on the other hand, shows us his genius throughout the movie like how he escapes from the Stock Market.And nah, he seems to be into destroying Gotham. Ra's saved him from the Pit, I could see him having some affection for the guy even if Ra's ousted him. Plus he continues to go on and on about how he will fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny.
no actually you are the one assuming Bane came up with it because you want to believe he did. There is absolutely no evidence to support your claim. I on the other hand have Talia not only giving bane an order to go on but Talia actually announcing it was her idea. But like I said this is how I and others have interpreted it. You can interpret it however you want but don't come on here saying "you interrupted it wrong then" when there is no evidence to back it up. mine might be vague but at least it is there.
as for the last part like I said it was speculation...
Where does Talia announce it was her plan? She may have said she wants to destroy Gotham and get revenge, yet that doesn't mean she planned it. Basically, we see Bane executing all the militaristic aspects of the plot without anyone telling him how to do it nor at the ending is it suggested that Talia told him what to do.
Edit: Plus he goes around saying he is the LoS... No reason to mention that if it weren't true.
Originally posted by ares834
Where does Talia announce it was her plan? She may have said she wants to destroy Gotham and get revenge, yet that doesn't mean she planned it. Basically, we see Bane executing all the militaristic aspects of the plot without anyone telling him how to do it nor at the ending is it suggested that Talia told him what to do.Edit: Plus he goes around saying he is the LoS... No reason to mention that if it weren't true.
Well....
-By the fact that she was stationed the whole time as a Wayne head.
-By the fact that she witnessed all the plans by the rebellion. And ruined them.
-By the fact that she was manipulating the Batman the whole time.
-By the fact that she was the twist in the film. And Batman's guts with a knife.
-By the fact that she was the one who made the jump and saved Bane from the prison.
-By the fact that she was the one who Bane adored so much he wept when she appeared in full force.
idk when Talia tells the whole story about ras saving bane from the pit then he kicked him out and she was enraged and estranged herself from him. She then finds out batman "ended" him so in honor she wanted to fulfill her dads plan as a kind of homage to him. So what you are saying is Bane was he partner because Talia didn't go do all of the "heavy lifting"? lol. She not only wasn't trained like bane and batman but she didn't exactly have the strength to carry a lot of this out. Not to mention she quite clearly couldn't risk her cover being blown or the plan would have died then and there.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Movie Bane was utter fail. Crappy voice, unimpressive body, got his ass kicked by a broken Batman, a lackey for Talia and went out like a *****, to Catwoman of all people.McClane wastes him and comes up with a much better one-liner to boot.
I liked Bane's character. It was only when he turned out to be another henchman that I was upset
Originally posted by the ninjak
Well....-By the fact that she was stationed the whole time as a Wayne head.
-By the fact that she witnessed all the plans by the rebellion. And ruined them.
-By the fact that she was manipulating the Batman the whole time.
-By the fact that she was the twist in the film. And Batman's guts with a knife.
-By the fact that she was the one who made the jump and saved Bane from the prison.
-By the fact that she was the one who Bane adored so much he wept when she appeared in full force.
How does that contradict anything I said? Not one of those involves her telling Bane how to execute the plan.
Anyway, lets go through them one by one.
1. I've already claimed Talia was in charge of the economic part of the plan.
2. You mean the one plan she ruined...
3. Yes, back to the economic.
4. Being a twist does not make you the main villain. Look at "The World is not Enough" which bares many similarities.
5. Bane also saved Talia in the prison.
6. Yes, there is a fraternal bond suggested between the two which is where I get the idea that they were equals.
Originally posted by ares834
How does that contradict anything I said? Not one of those involves her telling Bane how to execute the plan.Anyway, lets go through them one by one.
1. I've already claimed Talia was in charge of the economic part of the plan.
2. You mean the one plan she ruined...
3. Yes, back to the economic.
4. Being a twist does not make you the main villain. Look at "The World is not Enough" which bares many similarities.
5. Bane also saved Talia in the prison.
6. Yes, there is a fraternal bond suggested between the two which is where I get the idea that they were equals.
Hey Bane was a strategical villain in his own right.
He was the might. She was the key.
Without either the whole couldn't have worked.
Why does he care about her father's revenge when her father kicked him out of the League???? Because he loved her. He adored her.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
So what you are saying is Bane was he partner because Talia didn't go do all of the "heavy lifting"? lol.
lol indeed as that is not at all what I am saying.
However, it comes from their relationship which is borderline fraternal. Both clearly have feeling for each other and it seem to be the non-romantic variety. Yes, Bane is tearing up at the end, but Talia also expresses admiration for Bane. She views him as a heroic figure and of course talked her father into saving him.
They has very deep relationship, it's love and trust "molded" by the hell on earth. That's why despite both of them having dark and brutal souls they cared for eachother until the end.
Furthermore, we get Bane declaring himself the LoS and that it "his" calculations that the bomb will explode in five months.
No I agree that Bane had a deep care for Talia there is no question of that. But it is because of his love for her that he was doing as she wanted. They, as ninjak pointed out both had a part to play but none of that is proof that Bane came up with the plan. You say that it isn't shown anywhere that she tells him the "parts" in the plan. Well that logic bends back on itself as it doesn't show Bane making the plan at any point either. All any of us have to go on is what is shown in the movie. In the movie Talia is undercover and that can not be blown or the plan is toast, Talia says she wanted revenge...that she wanted to enact her fathers plan, She refers to bane has her protector, and at the end tells...not asks to not kill batman and to let him die in the fire. This all points (to me that is) that she was the brains and needed bane to do the heavy work. There can be speculation about any of it as people are going to interrupt it how they will but there is no real evidence that they work as partners. Out of everything I have heard the "them caring for each other" is the most comprehensive reasoning for them being partners but I just don't see it still. To me Talia had no want to lead the LoS but Bane did and he had no real want to destroy gotham other then because Talia wanted to and he fallowed her. That is why Bane "was the League of shadows". As for the bomb...what part does bane say "this bomb will go off in five months without the remote". I don't remember that at all. He was trying to convince gotham as long as he lived the bomb wouldn't go off.