Dooku vs Maul

Originally posted by Arhael
I don't have it. It was posted by someone long ago, probably by Gideon. You would need the same prove for Dooku and Windu sparring. I actually can't remember any sourcebook to state that, Windu was said to be on par only with Yoda and no mention of Dooku at all.

According to Star Wars Wiki it's stated in the New Essential Guide to Characters. If anyone has that they can confirm that for us. Or unconfirm it.

I personally find it believable as DR states even as late as the CW they are equals in Saber Prowess.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

If that were so true he'd have killed him during the Battle of Naboo.

Which battle is that?

He was clearly going for the kill here at 1:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqLj5wgkmRU

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Which battle is that?

He was clearly going for the kill here at 1:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqLj5wgkmRU [/B]

When he captures him to free Grievous, he could have easily just killed him then and found another way to free the General.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
When he captures him to free Grievous, he could have easily just killed him then and found another way to free the General.

He was under orders from Sidious to make the exchange. That's the only reason he fought Skywalker in the first place.

The CW movie showed under normal circumstances Dooku is perfectly willing to kill Skywalker.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He was under orders from Sidious to make the exchange. That's the only reason he fought Skywalker in the first place.

The CW movie showed under normal circumstances Dooku is perfectly willing to kill Skywalker.

Treachery is the way of the Sith. He had to know or at least suspect Palps was shaping up Skywalker to be his replacement. Being willing to kill someone does not ~ going all out to kill someone.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Treachery is the way of the Sith. He had to know or at least suspect Palps was shaping up Skywalker to be his replacement.

I dunno MY. This would only increase Dooku's desire to go all out on Skywalker and kill him proving to Sidious he would have been an inferior choice to Dooku.

The episode your talking about it was all about getting Grievous back. Nothing else.

Being willing to kill someone does not ~ going all out to kill someone.

And there are other ways. Dooku didn't kill Anakin, only chopped off his hand. Windu didn't kill Sidious, he kicked him. Vader didn't kill Luke and later Luke didn't kill Vader. Sidious didn't kill Luke in DE and then Luke didn't kill Sidious in turn.

Your assumption of Dooku taking Anakin lightly is even more unsupported than it seemed.

By your logic Anakin was taking Dooku lightly as well because he won Dooku both times without a killing blow. 🙂

Originally posted by Arhael
By the way. Force user doesn't need to hold back to defeat opponent without killing him. Force users can give full strength attack but when it reaches opponent's flash, stop at the last moment causing only shin injuries. Dooku did that to AotC Kenobi.

And there are other ways. Dooku didn't kill Anakin, only chopped off his hand. Windu didn't kill Sidious, he kicked him. Vader didn't kill Luke and later Luke didn't kill Vader. Sidious didn't kill Luke in DE and then Luke didn't kill Sidious in turn.

Your assumption of Dooku taking Anakin lightly is even more unsupported than it seemed.

By your logic Anakin was taking Dooku lightly as well because he won Dooku both times without a killing blow. 🙂

Exactly. This idea that Sidious made Dooku always hold back against Anakin is just an excuse for Dooku.

Sidious wanted Anakin to prove he was more powerful than his current apprentice. If Dooku was to hold back it would make that contest kind of pointless.

Let's not forget when Sidious staged a fight between Ventress and Anakin very early in the CW, she was told to kill him despite Dooku claiming that Anakin would be no match for her.(Happened in the CW mini cartoon).

I have a hard time using the Anakin VS Dooku fight in ROTS as evidence for anything, other than Zonakins saberskills and Dooku's forcepowers (on obi-wan)

But anyway

Sabers: Dooku, easy-medium difficulty
Force: Dooku, medium difficulty. Depends on how well Maul can tank his TK like Anakin

All out: Dooku, medium difficulty

They are both good duelists.
Sidious didn't tell Dooku to hold back.
Anakin was the better duelist.

Dooku did say that Anakin was the finest Djem So duelist he'd ever seen.
I think Dooku didn't know he was being replaced by Anakin until the duel
ended.

Looking back on this match up Maul still has unforeseen abilities that might catch Dooku
off guard.

Maul is not in Dooku's league. Never has been, never will be. He and Savage together would be hard pressed to touch Dooku.

The force mastery Dooku has along with his style of fighting, where he never make mistakes is almost too much for anybody in the movies or clone wars to deal with. Anakin at his best was the only one who could get the better of him. Sidious and Yoda only other two that would be slightly too much for him.

Originally posted by kiddo44
Maul is not in Dooku's league. Never has been, never will be. He and Savage together would be hard pressed to touch Dooku.

The force mastery Dooku has along with his style of fighting, where he never make mistakes is almost too much for anybody in the movies or clone wars to deal with. Anakin at his best was the only one who could get the better of him. Sidious and Yoda only other two that would be slightly too much for him.

A little too much praise for Dooku here methinks.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
A little too much praise for Dooku here methinks.

Still though, if Maul isn't above CW Kenobi/ROTS Kenobi in Saber I highly doubt he's a threat to Dooku in that department.

And is Dooku not the most learned in the ways of the force? Maul has been impressive in TCW but he's still at least one tier below Dooku here

So I doubt Dooku will have too much trouble

Originally posted by Jedi Mom
Still though, if Maul isn't above CW Kenobi/ROTS Kenobi in Saber I highly doubt he's a threat to Dooku in that department.

Who says Dooku is above Obi-Wan in Sabers though?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Who says Dooku is above Obi-Wan in Sabers though?

Well there's the quote from DR, stating only Mace would've been his equal on neutral ground.

Originally posted by Jedi Mom
Well there's the quote from DR, stating only Mace would've been his equal on neutral ground.

No it says perhaps only. We already know Skywalker was at least his equal in Sabers.

Also in the new timeline DR will take place much earlier in the CW.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No it says perhaps only.

So we could potentially say anyone is Dooku's equal on neutral ground?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
We already know Skywalker was at least his equal in Sabers.

Irrelevant unless you think Kenobi>Anakin in sabers.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Also in the new timeline DR will take place much earlier in the CW.

and...

Originally posted by Jedi Mom
So we could potentially say anyone is Dooku's equal on neutral ground?

Yeah if they can also be said to be on par with Mace Windu! Proof and discussion of the facts would obviously be required.

Originally posted by Jedi Mom
Irrelevant unless you think Kenobi>Anakin in sabers.

Could ROTS Obi-Wan be on par with early CW Anakin in Sabers?? Yeah very possibly.

Originally posted by Jedi Mom
and...

Obi-Wan improved quite a bit in the CW. I'd say especially in the first half, considering how he's gone from having trouble with Grievous and Ventress to stomping Opress.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah if they can also be said to be on par with Mace Windu! Proof and discussion of the facts would obviously be required.

So where's the proof and facts that puts Kenobi on par or above Dooku in sabers?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Could ROTS Obi-Wan be on par with early CW Anakin in Sabers?? Yeah very possibly.

I highly doubt that ROTS Kenobi>>>CW Kenobi and ROTS Anakin>>>CW Anakin...

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Obi-Wan improved quite a bit in the CW. I'd say especially in the first half, considering how he's gone from having trouble with Grievous and Ventress to stomping Opress.

Good for him. Doesn't prove that CW Kenobi isn't close or equal to ROTS Kenobi.

I still consider Maul and Dooku on par in sabers. However, in Force I now firmly give it to Dooku. Maul successfully caught Kenobi into Force choke only ones and Kenobi could still fight after that. That Force blast Maul managed to muster only because of getting enraged, which means he can't replicate it any time. Dooku on the other hand rarely gets emotional and he chooses precise moment, when opponent is least likely to put up any defense. His Force choke completely incapacitated Kenobi unlike Maul's.