Originally posted by Endless MikeThe Captain America/Hulk isn't similar because Hulk isn't overpowered by opponents or incapacitated by forcefields, that Captain America later overpowers or breaks free of. That's a ridiculously dumb and irrelevant analogy.
Superman himself has admitted that J'onn is stronger than him. You might as well argue that Cap > Hulk because Marvel writes him winning sometimes.
By this point, if you've read even a decent amount of Superman comics, you'd realize that lip-service given by him is irrelevant. And even if they amounted to something (which they don't), the actual formidability shown against opponents make J'onn look like a wet chihuahua about to face a Lion in the jungle.
Don't make me pull out scans, because this won't go in a direction you'd want.
Originally posted by pym-ftwI never said that he's 'grossly' more powerful than his peers.
Lol, at trying to start a flame war with me.Minus incalculable or ludicrous feats that border on toon level, there are no feats of that suggest Kal is "grossly" more powerful than his peers like, Captain Marvel, Bladam, Wondy, or Martian Manhunter...
I said, in response to you saying that J'onn and Superman are near-physical equals, that Superman has grossly outperformed him physically, which makes you wrong.
If you can't keep up, be silent.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
In order to grossly out perform your peers you must either:A. Be grossly more powerful
Or
B. Be given an unfair advantage; ie weaknesses, exploits, or pisLol, at your obvious troll comment
You said:
Originally posted by pym-ftw
^or minus fighting each other they are shown to be near physical equals
I said:
Originally posted by Philosophía
They aren't shown to be near-physical equals, at all. Superman has physically outperformed him, grossly, repeatedly, and to a significant degree.
You then lied about what I said:
Originally posted by pym-ftw
there are no feats of that suggest Kal is "grossly" more powerful than his peers like, Captain Marvel, Bladam, Wondy, or Martian Manhunter...
And are now calling me a troll, lying about what I said even after I pointed it out:
Originally posted by pym-ftw
In order to grossly out perform your peers you must either:A. Be grossly more powerful
Or
B. Be given an unfair advantage; ie weaknesses, exploits, or pisLol, at your obvious troll comment
Have a nice day trolling somebody else. 🙂
Superman beats John 6-7/10 on average. He beats John 10/10 when shit gets serious, how close each fight is depends. That's just the reality of the situation.
Telepathy won't stop Clark (At least if the fight is worth it), and intangibility is something he can counter. There might be rare exceptions like Fenrus, but even then, Superman's best is beyond John's best.
Your coy insults and taking my posts out of context is why you are a troll
I stated taking away fights against each other and pis filled feats they are near physical equals, I then stated that the manhunters versatility edge should give him an edge in battle.
You dodged my last post, instead again trying to insult me, lol
Originally posted by Endless MikeNo, he would not. J'onn has only two weapons that would bother Superman in a fight - intangibility and telepathy. Both of those are something that Superman has overcome. At full potential, Superman would rapestomp J'onn.
If both were written to their full potential, with full and intelligent use of their abilities, no jobbing or PIS, J'onn wins.
Originally posted by Endless MikeHe doesn't have to be immune to overcome them. Even Superman resisting J'onn, could send Manhunter reeling:
Yes, he's "overcome" them, but often with effort, and he's not immune to them. You could alternatively say that Superman has only one weapon that would bother J'onn - heat vision, and heat/fire is something that J'onn has overcome, so J'onn wins, using your same logic.
Superman’s consciousness is so strong it sends J’onn on the ground when he tries to mindprobe.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/jonnconsciousness1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/jonnconsciousness2.jpg
Who said Heat Vision is the only weapon of Superman's that would bother J'onn? That's the easy win. Superman is physically superior and could at a moment's notice also physically beat his brains out.
There is nothing a full potential J'onn could do in a fight that would do anything more other than momentarily stall, against a full potential Superman. The only breathing moments he has are when he is intangible, and those won't last. That is, if Superman lets him go intangible in the first place, and doesn't heat vision his brains out at the start, or blitzes the utter shit out of him. Which he would.
And here is J'onn beating up Superman: http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/?action=view¤t=Jimscomics102.jpg
Proves he's not so much stronger... Superman is just written higher more often because he's DC's golden boy
Originally posted by Endless MikeWhat the--?
And here is J'onn beating up Superman: http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/?action=view¤t=Jimscomics102.jpgProves he's not so much stronger... Superman is just written higher more often because he's DC's golden boy
He threw a punch and then heat visioned a confused Superman. Is being able to punch Superman something that makes one close to him in strength? Har.
😂
Well, this might just turn hilarious.
My turn.
J'onn being trapped in a bubble and left there like an insignificant bug by young John Stewart for an extended period of time:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/mmstewardowning.jpg
Superman one-shotting an older, fully-focused on him John Stewart's shield, and the Green Lantern himself, with one punch:
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesjohnshield1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesjohnshield2.jpg
Your turn.
Originally posted by Endless MikeYou saying it doesn't make it so. Plenty of people in lower classes of strength have punched people in upper classes of strength, and affected them. It doesn't prove what you want it to prove. There is a noticeable and singificant gap between Superman and J'onn physically, and that's been shown time and time again.
I'm just saying that the fact he's able to do that proves he's not so far below Superman in physical strength.
Originally posted by Endless MikeObviously, because J'onn would get destroyed. Instead, what we're "comparing here" is your baseless, biased opinion on how you want things to be, with the rational world. They're not on the same wavelength.
We're not here to compare feats.
You can plug in your ears and scream "the entire DC company is made of fanboys I know better what J'onn is capable of, eventough they're the ones that created and published him and Superman for their entire history", but it doesn't make it any less stupid or inconsequential to the discussion.
Originally posted by Endless MikeAh, so now you want to continue comparing. Say the word, and we shall do so. Or will you be back to "we're not here to compare feats" ?
If you actually look at his powerset and his feats against comparable characters and situations, in a PIS and jobbing - free fight J'onn wins.
Originally posted by Philosophía
You saying it doesn't make it so. Plenty of people in lower classes of strength have punched people in upper classes of strength, and affected them. It doesn't prove what you want it to prove. There is a noticeable and singificant gap between Superman and J'onn physically, and that's been shown time and time again.
Based on what? Superman defeating the big major threat where J'onn failed to do so? Because that only happens because the writers and company favor him.
Obviously, because J'onn would get destroyed. Instead, what we're "comparing here" is your baseless, biased opinion on how you want things to be, with the rational world. They're not on the same wavelength.You can plug in your ears and scream "the entire DC company is made of fanboys I know better what J'onn is capable of, eventough they're the ones that created and published him and Superman for their entire history", but it doesn't make it any less stupid or inconsequential to the discussion.
Superman also beats up people like Darkseid, who should by all rights be above him and he should never defeat without help or some kind of powerup/extenuating circumstance. Yet he does.
Ah, so now you want to continue comparing. Say the word, and we shall do so. Or will you be back to "we're not here to compare feats" ?
If you actually look at their powersets, and take their best showings for each power in their powersets (minus obvious PIS showings), it bears out what I've been saying.
