I don't know what "forum" Surfer is but I'd imagine that per the stips he'd be sort of a composite of Annihilation Surfer, Exiles Surfer and Mc2 Surfer.
In Annihilation he straight punked a guy that was formerly a peer of his in power. Ravenous was for all intents and purposes frozen scared because Norrin had become something else entirely. Casually destroying a planet in the process just to prove a point. I don't even think Thor has ever shown that kind of casual power before. Only two people come to mind. WBH displayed that kind of casual dominance over former peers, but I don't think WBH exists anymore. Maybe Supes has, but he's not in this thread. So I'm going to say no current Marvel herald beats him.
Originally posted by dmills
I don't know what "forum" Surfer is but I'd imagine that per the stips he'd be sort of a composite of Annihilation Surfer, Exiles Surfer and Mc2 Surfer.In Annihilation he straight punked a guy that was formerly a peer of his in power. Ravenous was for all intents and purposes frozen scared because Norrin had become something else entirely. Casually destroying a planet in the process just to prove a point. I don't even think Thor has ever shown that kind of casual power before. Only two people come to mind. WBH displayed that kind of casual dominance over former peers, but I don't think WBH exists anymore. Maybe Supes has, but he's not in this thread. So I'm going to say no current Marvel herald beats him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer has destroyed planets before casually and beat down characters who beat him by doing it like Morg. Ravenous was a ***** anyway, xenith had him scared as shit too.
Context. Ravenous sans Kurrs was a *****. Ravenous with kurrs was a peer to Norrin in power prior to Galactus upgrading/restoring Norrin. Afterwards it was a different story.
Morg? Gotta check on that one.
Originally posted by dmills
Context. Ravenous sans Kurrs was a *****. Ravenous with kurrs was a peer to Norrin in power prior to Galactus upgrading/restoring Norrin. Afterwards it was a different story.Morg? Gotta check on that one.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The currs were re-generating after each kill as shown on panel. Surfer killed them when he realized they were his source of power and yet they were present atm when surfer busted the planet. Check SS annual 7.
Because I'm not exactly sure where the crux of our disaggrement lies I'll recap my points:
*Ravenous W/Currs was a peer to Norrin in power.
*Norrin was Upgraded, restored or whatevered by Galactus, Norrin then pwned Ravenous essentially without even having to resort to serious physical violence against him by casually destroying the planet that they were fighting on
*Ravenous shat his pants as he wondered out loud what had Norrin become.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer has destroyed planets before casually and beat down characters who beat him by doing it like Morg. Ravenous was a ***** anyway, xenith had him scared as shit too.
I said he wasn't a ***** with the currs, but he was a ***** without the currs. And by that I mean he (Ravenous) w/Currs was a peer of Norrin's prior to the Galactus upgrade. After the upgrade Ravenous was a feeb to Norrin.
Ok now, so where are we having our issue?
Originally posted by Badabing
We used to have a tiers thread:http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=447826
Transcendent (Sub-Skyfather):
Amazo, Black Racer, Blackheart, Circe, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), The Keeper, King Thor, Mangog, Mogo(?), Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Stayne, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Tanaraq, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), ValidusTop-Tier ("Herald"😉
High Top-Tier:
Adam Warlock, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Doomsday, Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), The Silver Surfer, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman, Superman Blue/Red, ThorMiddle Top-Tier:
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Captain Marvel (DC), Cyborg Superman, Black Bolt, The Eradicator, The Fallen One, Firelord, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), The Fury, General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John), Hyperion, Jack of Hearts, Kid Omega, Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Mr. M, Nate Grey, , Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, The Sentry, Sersi, Sinestro, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Wonder Woman,Low Top-Tier:
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, The Atom, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Darkness, Darwin, Death Metal, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, He-Man, Hector Hammond, Holocaust, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lobo, Loki, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Union, Vulcan, Winter,Mid-Tier ("Iron Man"😉
High Mid-Tier:
Abomination, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Donna Troy, Doom, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Hercules (Mortal), The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nimrod, Northstar, Osiris, Pitt, Plastic-Man, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Sand, Sasquatch, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Ultron, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, ZzaxxMiddle Mid-Tier:
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head II, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Ghost Rider, Grace Choi, Havok, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Jenny Sparks, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Omega Red, Quicksilver (classic), Radioactive Man, Rogue, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Toxin, Vance Astro, Wonder GirlLow Mid-Tier:
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Rom, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Swift, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, WulfgarLow-Tier {"Street"😉
High Low-Tier:
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Joker, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23Middle Low-Tier:
Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, WildcatLow Low-Tier:
Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Crossbones, Night Thrasher, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Robin, Talia, White Tiger-----------------------------------------------------
I hope it helps.
I'm not sure if I'm more amazed at the number of people I DON'T know on that list or the number of people that I do.
I'm also not really sure, judging by some of those names, what the actual ranking criteria was or is or who decided it.
It DOES give me a much better idea of what people are talking about now, though, so it did and does help a good deal.
Thank you for your time.
Originally posted by vince_slice
Annihilation Surfer was a beast. Casually creating a black holes and destroying planets, beating the shit out of Ravenous, and taking on two Galactus level beings. But now he's currently a fry cook in Broxton. lol.
Taking on and surviving against abstracts is pretty wtf?!?! He beat them through some clear cut plot device, but the fact he even survived long enough to do so was nutz. Don't forget, Thor has done something similar when he went up against a group of Celestials.
Originally posted by dmills
Because I'm not exactly sure where the crux of our disaggrement lies I'll recap my points:*Ravenous W/Currs was a peer to Norrin in power.
*Norrin was Upgraded, restored or whatevered by Galactus, Norrin then pwned Ravenous essentially without even having to resort to serious physical violence against him by casually destroying the planet that they were fighting onWhich has nothing to do with increase in power. Surfer has wrecked his peers before.
*Ravenous shat his pants as he wondered out loud what had Norrin become.
You said...I said he wasn't a ***** with the currs, but he was a ***** without the currs. And by that I mean he (Ravenous) w/Currs was a peer of Norrin's prior to the Galactus upgrade. After the upgrade Ravenous was a feeb to Norrin.
That wasn't due to upgrades. Like all high heralds surfer holds back and when he didn't he made ravenous shat his pants.
Ok now, so where are we having our issue?
Originally posted by vince_slice
Annihilation Surfer was a beast. Casually creating a black holes and destroying planets, beating the shit out of Ravenous, and taking on two Galactus level beings. But now he's currently a fry cook in Broxton. lol.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Taking on and surviving against abstracts is pretty wtf?!?! He beat them through some clear cut plot device, but the fact he even survived long enough to do so was nutz. Don't forget, Thor has done something similar when he went up against a group of Celestials.
