Surfer isn't playing

As for this thread, no herald stands a realistic chance against a resolute Surfer. His amping abilities alone make him good enough to challenge and topple skyfathers (UniLord). His versatility and the level of power he has with them, make him insanely difficult to hit/grab/see. And he can even synthesise magic, so that needn't be an obstacle either.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I would put Black Adam there too, in 52 he beat Martian Manhunter to an inch of his life.

Black Adam, Orion Captain Marvel, Majestic are the only consistent superman level heralds.

Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman and everyone else is beneath them I would put thor, silver surfer, brb beneath them as well

lol don't listen to him.

Originally posted by armedforbattle
Would you explain how surfer is consistently below supes. That's bullshit and you know it. I could see an argument for Thor. But not surfer, surfer beats supes every time.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That superman should beat someone with close physical statss but much more versatility? You're right PIS 😛

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/supermanbatman33f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/supermanbatman33g.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/supermanbatman33h.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/supermanbatman33i.jpg

Maybe a dream-version of J'onn you were referencing.

Doesn't J'onn have him in a chokehold?

Regardless, its a mind controlled J'onn, and a holding back Supes. So I can't really see how a good comparison could be made in this instance.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doesn't J'onn have him in a chokehold?

Regardless, its a mind controlled J'onn, and a holding back Supes. So I can't really see how a good comparison could be made in [b]this instance. [/B]

I kind of feel bad for J'onn.

His supporters are basically Superman haters, so they don't really know shit about either characters.

It's kind of like Rhino getting support from Thor fans, because they hate Hulk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Close physical stats? Where?

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/supermanbatman33f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/supermanbatman33g.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/supermanbatman33h.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/supermanbatman33i.jpg

Maybe a dream-version of J'onn you were referencing.

Wasn't the hero's controlled in these scans.?

Originally posted by carver9
Wasn't the hero's controlled in these scans.?

Yes, they were.

Mind control doesn't lessen durability, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes, they were.

Mind control doesn't lessen durability, though.

😕 It's not usable.

Originally posted by carver9
😕 It's not usable.

Yes it is. Mind control covers a character's mental capacity, not their physical stats.

You could argue that J'onn might phase or that he might dodge the attack (though thats unlikely), but you can't argue that he would have been more durable.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes it is. Mind control covers a character's mental capacity, not their physical stats.

You could argue that J'onn might phase or that he might dodge the attack (though thats unlikely), but you can't argue that he would have been more durable.

How many times have you argued with me about Mind Controlled characters? Really Pr.?

Originally posted by carver9
How many times have you argued with me about Mind Controlled characters? Really Pr.?

It's not so much me arguing as it is setting things straight.

You need to read what I said again about mental capacity.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's not so much me arguing as it is setting things straight.

You need to read what I said again about mental capacity.

SMH.

Originally posted by carver9
SMH.

It's not my fault you don't like the rules. shrug

Especially given your own flip-flopping when it comes to mental control.