Originally posted by Endless Mike
Based on what? Superman defeating the big major threat where J'onn failed to do so? Because that only happens because the writers and company favor him.
Originally posted by Endless Mike"the company favors him" is not a counter-argument. The fanboy writers and biased companies are the ones that have been, and will be publishing stories both with J'onn and Superman for their entire existence. Not you.
Superman also beats up people like Darkseid, who should by all rights be above him and he should never defeat without help or some kind of powerup/extenuating circumstance. Yet he does.
If you want, I can borrow you some money to buy crayons and draw your own comics. Until then, those fanboys are the one supplying you with J'onn and Superman stories, on which we, logical people base our opinions on.
Superman is physically superior, and much more formidable, because the comics have shown so, repeatedly.
Now Superman can't beat Darkseid because you say so, too?
How about you start writing your own fanfiction, create a forum, and debate there, with those who read it?
Originally posted by Endless MikeIt really doesn't. The only thing that bears out here is that you're living in your own world, where you ignore whatever you want because "those fanboys" wrote them, and you know what's best.
If you actually look at their powersets, and take their best showings for each power in their powersets (minus obvious PIS showings), it bears out what I've been saying.
Originally posted by Philosophíaa little bit of irony in that post, but i'm not in this 😗
Superman one-shotting an older, fully-focused on him John Stewart's shield, and the Green Lantern himself, with one punch:http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesjohnshield1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesjohnshield2.jpgYour turn.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, let's get back on topic.Surfer like this would be Annihilation Surfer, not some forum construct.
Thor would be the only person i'd bet on beating him, tbh.
Not sure if Annihilation Surfer fits perfectly. I'd go with Exiles Surfer mixed with Annihilation Surfer. Even Superman shouldn't be able to defeat the Surfer if he were to turn it up, and use his abilities to their fullest, but on the same note I don't see Thor doing much better, as the Surfer really does not have to be hit if he does not want to. The only guys that should be capable of beating him, are those that could exploit his weaknesses. Perhaps a very powerful TP talent, Sorcerer, or energy manipulator.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But he isn't on Marvel Earth.Not sure who could stop him, tbh. He's got that speed thing going on for him, we already know telepaths can't really affect him (like God Cable; yes, I know he was distracted what with holding the station up etc, but still) and he has his black hole shtick going on.
Oh, this is limited to Marvel Earth? Well now that sux.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Lobo would probably think it would tickle
At his best, I think so too. But a black hole would work. The thing about Surfer is that he really doesn't have to be hit, he can remain intangible, and blast the mess out of any opponent unable to reverse this status. Loeb force Rulk may be able to take him though. I said may be able... 😄
Originally posted by bluewaterriderWe used to have a tiers thread:
It'd be really nice if someone created a chart that explains all this otherwise undecipherable forum jargon.I know of Galactus, who sends powerful, speedy "scouts" ahead of him before he arrives to destroy an entire Earth-sized world. These scouts "herald" (i.e. "announce"😉 his arrival, thus they are called "Heralds of Galactus".
So that's where your "Herald" term comes from.
The most commonly known heralds are probably
1) Firelord
and
2) Silver Surfer.
Flight, superstrength, great durability, great resistance to temperature extremes, great speed, high level energy blasts, ability to control and direct certain forms of energy.
In practical terms, then, Heralds are ... Superman.
He is called by a different name.
He wears a different outfit.
He does a different job.Maybe he's coming down with a cold and thus a little weaker than normal.
Maybe he's taken steroids and gotten stronger.But on the basic level it's Superman.
You can place any garden variety Kryptonian in a "herald" story as a result, make 2 adjustments, and you're good to go.
But what's above this level?
What's below?Would Superboy Prime be considered Herald?
Pre-Crisis Supergirl of Earth One?
Mongul? Validus?A thread that has a general chart of these sorts of classifications would be helpful.
Anyway, I'm assuming people with exactly one power would generally be considered Herald Class or below, with the possible exception of people like Molecule Man, who can basically do anything they want.
In which case my answer would be any Speed-Force possessing Flash.
Give him a detailed briefing of what the fight rules are, what the goals and stakes are, and ring the bell.If the fight's on any sort of terra firma, Flash should automatically win 6 of 10 battles.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=447826
Transcendent (Sub-Skyfather):
Amazo, Black Racer, Blackheart, Circe, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), The Keeper, King Thor, Mangog, Mogo(?), Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Stayne, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Tanaraq, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus
Top-Tier ("Herald"😉
High Top-Tier:
Adam Warlock, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Doomsday, Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), The Silver Surfer, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman, Superman Blue/Red, Thor
Middle Top-Tier:
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Captain Marvel (DC), Cyborg Superman, Black Bolt, The Eradicator, The Fallen One, Firelord, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), The Fury, General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John), Hyperion, Jack of Hearts, Kid Omega, Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Mr. M, Nate Grey, , Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, The Sentry, Sersi, Sinestro, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Wonder Woman,
Low Top-Tier:
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, The Atom, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Darkness, Darwin, Death Metal, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, He-Man, Hector Hammond, Holocaust, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lobo, Loki, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Union, Vulcan, Winter,
Mid-Tier ("Iron Man"😉
High Mid-Tier:
Abomination, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Donna Troy, Doom, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Hercules (Mortal), The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nimrod, Northstar, Osiris, Pitt, Plastic-Man, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Sand, Sasquatch, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Ultron, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, Zzaxx
Middle Mid-Tier:
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head II, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Ghost Rider, Grace Choi, Havok, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Jenny Sparks, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Omega Red, Quicksilver (classic), Radioactive Man, Rogue, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Toxin, Vance Astro, Wonder Girl
Low Mid-Tier:
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Rom, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Swift, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar
Low-Tier {"Street"😉
High Low-Tier:
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Joker, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23
Middle Low-Tier:
Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, Wildcat
Low Low-Tier:
Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Crossbones, Night Thrasher, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Robin, Talia, White Tiger
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I hope it helps.
