What does Maul's escapades within the Galaxy have to do with how much of a fight he put up against Sideous in a duel?
How is "whirlwind of destruction", which is a description of his combat prowess, an indication of the effort he had to expend to win?
How is their effort compared to those three relevant at all, considering Sideous killed the three of them in about three seconds?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yoda seems think Dooku is the Jedi student who is most learned in the ways of the Force. But I doubt there's a significant difference between the 2.This
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc2SF6RuXUw
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duQdkOF2Pes
show Maul>Opress>Ventress.
Plus Maul did much better than Opress against Sidious.
Oh and CW Mini is not T-Canon. And all references to it have been wiped out of the official site.
Wait.. The clone wars tv series isn't G Canon anymore?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wait.. The clone wars tv series isn't G Canon anymore?
The 2003 mini-series?
It's not canon to Lucas anymore. And all references to it have been wiped out of the official site and replaced with the new series. But what Lucas considers canon is the highest form of canon even in the EU.
But it's still C-Canon to the EU I believe.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
From the Dooku fight against Opress and Ventress where he clearly struggled.
Mace is superior to Dooku and has a different approach to combat, also.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh and the mere fact that even Sidious felt he required 2 Sabers to take on these 2.
He only needed one for Yoda. I doubt the two brothers on there own equal Yoda.
As well as the fact that he was only playing with them.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He does if he wants to defeat these 2 beasts.
He only needed one saber, to defeat the man who destroyed them.
He doesn't need a second saber.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And what you don't think Maul's incredibly fast too? Go read Shadow Hunter and Saboteur.
Read it. He's not 24-Swings a second-fast.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But it's still C-Canon
Ah, good to know.
Star Wars.com doesn't seem to have it listed in it's databanks - but then again Star Wars.com doesn't have half the planets or less in the SW-universe listed either, so if we take that at face value, then planets like Ruusan and Concord Dawn don't exist, either.
SW.com is more of a corporate-fan-site than anything - and not a legit database.
Wookieepedia treats all of the planets in the Star Wars Universe as if they exist, so they're a legitimately-functioning database.
And curiously enough, it's also jam-packed with 03' Clone Wars articles. So it appears to be alive and well. 🙂
And Canon is canon.
Originally posted by CountDooku22
Ah, good to know.
I'm assuming. Don't take my word on that.
Originally posted by CountDooku22
[B]Star Wars.com doesn't seem to have it listed in it's databanks - but then again Star Wars.com doesn't have half the planets or less in the SW-universe listed either, so if we take that at face value, then planets like Ruusan and Concord Dawn don't exist, either.
It's not got EU stuff. But it used to have references to the CWmini but they have been wiped out.
Originally posted by CountDooku22
SW.com is more of a corporate-fan-site than anything - and not a legit database.
It's the legit source for the whole world which Lucas considers canon.
Originally posted by CountDooku22
And Canon is canon.
Yes but with any inconsistencies or contradictions Lucas Canon over rights any lower canon.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I'm assuming.
I'm sensing that's going to be a common theme with you, from now on. 😛
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's not got EU stuff. But it used to have references to the CWmini but they have been wiped out.
Mhm.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's the legit source for the whole world which Lucas considers canon.
I'm pretty sure Lucas considers a lot of the planets not listed there, as Canon.
It's not a "legit source" of anything, seeing as how it's functionally-incomplete.
It's just an official fansite.
But Wookieepedia is complete and also more up to date.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes but with any inconsistencies or contradictions Lucas Canon over rights any lower canon.
"Overrides", you mean.
And for the most part, the other types of general Canon, do not override the G-Canon sources.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
9/10? Against Both Brothers together? Are you kidding me?Pr seems to know more than you my friend.
I honestly don't get your line of thinking here... Mace BEAT the person who utterly tooled these two with relative ease. Mace is better than OBI, who also held his own against these two in their encounter. So what feats of Maul and Savage beating WHO.. gives you the impression they have a chance against Mace. Somebody who can employ vaapad and shatterpoint.. something Sids and Obi coulnd't do.. and still beat the two or held his own. Tell me who they have beaten that gives you this impression.
It seems know more about comics than star wars vs. matches big buddy.
Originally posted by CountDooku22👆 👆 👆 👆 👆 👆I'm pretty sure Lucas considers a lot of the planets not listed there, as Canon.
It's not a "legit source" of anything, seeing as how it's functionally-incomplete.
It's just an official fansite.
But Wookieepedia is complete and also more up to date.
"Overrides", you mean.
And for the most part, the other types of general Canon, do not override the G-Canon sources.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I honestly don't get your line of thinking here... Mace BEAT the person who utterly tooled these two with relative ease. Mace is better than OBI, who also held his own against these two in their encounter. So what feats of Maul and Savage beating WHO.. gives you the impression they have a chance against Mace. Somebody who can employ vaapad and shatterpoint.. something Sids and Obi coulnd't do.. and still beat the two or held his own. Tell me who they have beaten that gives you this impression.It seems know more about comics than star wars vs. matches big buddy.
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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I honestly don't get your line of thinking here... Mace BEAT the person who utterly tooled these two with relative ease. Mace is better than OBI, who also held his own against these two in their encounter. So what feats of Maul and Savage beating WHO.. gives you the impression they have a chance against Mace. Somebody who can employ vaapad and shatterpoint.. something Sids and Obi coulnd't do.. and still beat the two or held his own. Tell me who they have beaten that gives you this impression.It seems know more about comics than star wars vs. matches big buddy.
As I was just explaining to SWL A>B>C doesn't work very well in Star Wars. That's especially the case in ROTS. So we have to split these fights into Sabers, Force and All-Out. As well as the context of the fights:
1.Kenobi was clearly no match for both brothers with a single Saber. With 2 he was able to fight off both and even defeat one of them.
2.Sidious also tooled the brothers with the use of 2 Sabers AND his far superior Force TK Powers. Force powers that are above Mace's.
In fact Sidious never beat both brothers together without the use of his Force TK Powers.
3. Maul actually held his own in the Saber fight against the whole time. In fact in the last fight he really gave Sidious a run for his money (in Sabers) all on his own.
Now having said all that IF you give Mace 2 Sabers to fight off both opponents and assuming his Jar Kai skills are as impressive as Sidiou's then yes I'll give him the win. (Although even then I wouldn't give him 9/10).
But in a standard fight where he has just the 1 Saber to fight them both. And knowing he doesn't have Sidious's command of the Force to just easily pinn them both and throw them both around...
In those circumstances I have a very very hard time giving Mace a majority here. Especially looking at how Dooku struggled against Ventress and Opress.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
3. Maul actually held his own in the Saber fight against the whole time. In fact in the last fight he really gave Sidious a run for his money (in Sabers) all on his own.
No, he didn't. The episode bares out what Filoni said: Sidious dominated the entire time. Maul and Savage literally never stood a chance. This has been discussed at length in that thread.
While Sidious may have drawn on the Force to make for such an easy victory, the only time he used the Force directly against the brothers was to toy with them (speaking to what you said above about him using the Force).