Originally posted by jinzin
Good list of power DC MA's but it doesn't revert my original point which is that the focus, and level of standard Marvel MA's is typically higher than DC.Azrael (I'm assuming we are talking non armored) would be picked apart by guys like Shang Chi, and The Cat. Even *with* armor, people like Misty Knight, (given her arm has technopathy) and Silver Samurai are likely to steal the majority from JPV. None of them are top tier level characters of the Marvel MA world.
Black Canary has a decent powerset to go with her skill but would get wtf stomped by Psylocke, Kitty Pride, or Typhoid Mary. The first two with powers on *or* off and again the none of them are top tier MA's (Psylocke should be but writers often forget how skilled or powerful she *should* be).
Drakon's insanely fast but I would wager that Mr. X edges him out despite it, simply because of his telepathy. Both characters are roughly equivalent though and you're right to put Drakon in a top tier list.
Midnighter, like Drakon is a great combination of skill and super-abilities. Still though, I don't think he could hang with the likes of Gorgon. Brass, Rapture, and Blood Shadow would all be contenders as well simply based off telepathic power sets and skill sets alone.
Grifter wouldn't hold up against Shatterstar and would likely be outmatched by someone like Night Thrasher (And that's ignoring Night Thrasher's best). Both of those Marvel characters are barely mid level 3rd tiers.
Rose (I'm assuming you're talking about pre-boot) was pretty tough on paper but couldn't hold her salt against anyone with a name any time she was in a clinch. Fantomex, Agent Zero, or Taskmaster would all likely take the majority from her. X-23 for certain.
Sensei, I would consider in the "grandmaster" level of MA's not the standard, even so, he probably isn't on the level to deal with guys like Ogun, and Mandarin. Temugin and him are *perhaps* around equal levels. He also gets put into arguable battles with Master Po, and Stick. And probably still gets beat by 2nd tier badguys guys like Junzo or Steel Serpent at their best. *shrug*
Before this back and forth gets too crazy, I will say that DC has a whole host of cosmic-like MA's that really make this discussion complex but when it comes to their earthbound MA's, Shang Chi alone can likely beat or stalemate pretty much *every* earthbound standard MA DC has to offer and he's really not near the top of the Marvel totem pole. That should really be a telling statement here. I'm not sure that any of them can stand up to Wolverine, Elektra, Captain America, or Rand at their best. Would you really argue any differently?
Those were just from the top of my head. I forgot to add one of the most haxxed MA characters aside from Karate Kid. Judomaster (Sonia) doesn't really have an aversion field, but her own will power that helps her from not getting hit.
Earth 2 Sonia seems pretty formidable from the first appearance we have seen. According to Robinson, she's top tier and was able to drop kick a legit speedster, Jay Garrick.
I wasn't talking JPV, Azrael, but Michael Lane. With the Suit of Sorrows, he is able to draw upon all the users skills who has ever put on the suit, including Batman. His swords are plot devices. The Sword of Sin is able to one shot Silver Samurai, if need be and his suit is durable as hell. He was able to tank an RPG with no scratch whatsoever and tank Fireball's heat attack, which he draws from the sun.
As for Black Canary, she has one of the most formidable attacks with her sonic scream. We have seen her one shot Mammoth a legit 70-85 class and she is able to fly with her powers no just like Banshee.
As for Psylocke, Grifter would wreck her. He was able to make Helspont scream in pain with his TP powers. The same Helspont who OWNED Superman. He was also able to fight Midnighter as well.
Midnighter recently was able to surprise Martian Manhunter, because he found his weak spot and if not for MM's shapeshifting abilities, he could have very well killed him. He was also able to take down a Red Lantern with Apollo and easily dodge gun fire. Supposedly, he can kill ANYTHING, hence the Martian Manhunter example. And it seems Deathstroke came from the same batch of super soldiers.
And I'm talking about DCnU Rose Wilson, who seems to have some telepathy powes along with good healing abilities. She was able to hang with Timber Wolf (Legion of Super-Heroes) and survive Terra from going all out. She has been improved by Harvest the Leader from NOWHERE. A secret organization.
And I wasn't talking about League of Assassin's Sensie, but Sensei from Human Race who is 300 year old grandmaster and a being of living Chi. Aside from Grail from Wetworks, Sensei is the most powerful chi user in comics. I wish we could have seen more from him.