Vitiate vs ROTS Sidious

Started by Mizukage Yoda7 pages

Originally posted by The_Tempest
My lady doth protest too much.

I grant you permission to retreat into your cave of insecurity and inadequacy. Later, I will plunder another cave of yours with an unprecedented tenacity. excellent

excellent

I loath drugs. :I

Originally posted by Nephthys
I loath drugs. :I

You don't drink?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I loath drugs. :I

You? The bleeding heart liberal? haermm

Yep. Can't stand the ****ing stuff.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You don't drink?

Nope.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You? The bleeding heart liberal? haermm

Girls, girls, this is what the convo thread is for

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yep. Can't stand the ****ing stuff.

Nope.

And yet you are almost inexorably high from the thick weed residue on the notebook you are currently using. Well I'm sure you have your reasons.

Anyway, I only have a drink on occasion. But you struck me as a weed smoker.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hardly a leap, I've established as much in previous threads. You can't expect me to relist every accomplishment every time.

Well, what you've “established” is simply wrong then...

Tol Braga duelled a Dark Council member for days before convincing him to turn to the lightside. Furthermore he was chosen as the leader of the strike team against the Emperor, a team which two sources describe as being made up of the strongest Jedi in the galaxy. Furthermore he puts up a great fight against the Hero of Tython shortly before the Hero would defeat Vitiate (as in, right before), at one point overpowering them with a Force Push and pressing the Hero hard.

The Hero of Tython obviously barely needs supporting. You know that s/he would go on to defeat Vitiate on a Darkside Nexus. As a padawan and on their first day on Tython they outclass Ordus Din, the most experienced Jedi in the Order, by defeating Bengal Marr with only a training saber. They defeat Lord Praven, a Sith Lord who was at the Sacking of Coruscant and defeated one of the most celebrated Jedi duelists. They then go on to fight through a Star Destroyer, defeat Darth Angral and then the Emperor possessing Kira. The Hero of Tython also defeats Lord Scourge. Naturally s/he are also part of the strongest Jedi in the galaxy quote and upon your return to the Order Satale Shan names the Hero as the Jedi's greatest champion. Of all of the strike team the Hero was likely the strongest as s/he was the one to push through the Emperor's lightning the most and get closest to him before being overwhelmed.


Ninja'd by Mizukage_Yoda.
And as he said, none of these feats put JK or Braga on pair, let alone, ahead of Maul or Savage.
You should concede this point or try harded.

Sidious did not overpower them with the Force, but with his superior speed. I am discussing purely Vitiate's and Sidious' respective feats with the Force.

He did not need to. He has chosen to speed-blitz them. And as we see he can Force-pwn Maul and Savage, so there’s no reason why he couldn’t do the same to Kit, Tiin, Kolar….

Whats clear is that your logic sucks. Yoda showed no indication of blocking Sidious' lightning meaning that Sidious basically just rendered a defenceless frail, ancient midget unconscious. For about 5 seconds. When Yoda actually had the opportunity to resist he did so admirably. By contrast when Revan did the same thing against Vitiate he was zapped in submission and overwhelmed. And Revan's skill with Tutaminis is close to if not equal to Yoda's.[
Yeah, I’m sure Yoda walked into the senate chamber hoping to talk some sense into his ol’ pal Palpy….
Don’t act silly, Neph, and don’t lowball this feat.
Maybe Yoda didn’t have time to put up defense because Sids is just that good with FL…

[quote][b]Really, Vader and Dooku have demolished huge temples whilst dying and cut in half? They've disintegrated metal with casual waves of their hands? Yeah didn't think so. I believe it is you who has gotten carried away here.


They don't have to disintegrate things to be uber...

You know as well as I do that Vader does some sick Force-feats in TFU, and Dooku Force showings in CW are also impressive.

Now, imagine what their TK would look like when amped by Dromund Kaas nexus…mmm

Yeah, Vitiate would be outclassed.

And since when being cut in half and dying is considered a TK feat?? 😛

Yeah, I've acknowledged that Sidious has a significant lightsaber advantage over Vitiate, to the point where I would be hesitant to call Vitiate the victor in overall combat. I will however point out that he's dealt with opponents attempting to rush him with a lightsaber 3 times, in his every appearance and that he has shadowclone no jutsu and bubble-shields to protect him.

So you agree that Sidious takes clear majority in sabers, and he takes all out…ok then.
And none of the things you’ve posted so far suggest Vitiate can take him in the Force, so yeah, Sidious wins this too.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You getting high without me Neph? 😉

ah, that explains a lot...and I thought that Neph's arguments were for real lol

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yep. Can't stand the ****ing stuff.

Honestly, I'm shocked. You know the stereotype where conservatives are ruthless religious zealots? The liberal stereotype is that of lazy pot-smocking hippies. Joking aside, I'd pegged you for a cliche in that respect.

Kudos to you.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Honestly, I'm shocked. You know the stereotype where conservatives are ruthless religious zealots? The liberal stereotype is that of lazy pot-smocking hippies. Joking aside, I'd pegged you for a cliche in that respect.

Kudos to you.

I wonder if he's for or against the legalization of weed.

Judging by the qaulity of his arguments, he's been using this sh1t for a long time now....so for 😛

Forgot about this:

Whats clear is that your logic sucks. Yoda showed no indication of blocking Sidious' lightning meaning that Sidious basically just rendered a defenceless frail, ancient midget unconscious. For about 5 seconds. When Yoda actually had the opportunity to resist he did so admirably. By contrast when Revan did the same thing against Vitiate he was zapped in submission and overwhelmed. And Revan's skill with Tutaminis is close to if not equal to Yoda's.

Yeah, I'm sure Yoda walked into the senate chamber hoping to talk some sense into his ol' pal Palpy.
Don't act silly, Neph, and don't lowball this feat.
Maybe Yoda didn't have time to put up defense because Sids is just that good with FL...

Against it, Mizu. Very, very against.

And keep up axel, I HATE drugs.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Honestly, I'm shocked. You know the stereotype where conservatives are ruthless religious zealots? The liberal stereotype is that of lazy pot-smocking hippies. Joking aside, I'd pegged you for a cliche in that respect.

Kudos to you.

I also despise hippies. Which is ironic considering I just moved to Glastonbury, the biggest hippie town in Britain.

I am lazy though. And you misspelt 'smoking.'

Originally posted by Nephthys
Against it, Mizu. Very, very against.

And keep up axel, I HATE drugs.

I also despise hippies. Which is ironic considering I just moved to Glastonbury, the biggest hippie town in Britain.

I am lazy though. And you misspelt 'smoking.'

I see, well I am for it because of all the economic benefits it'll have. If that means a few potheads'll have a few less brain cells. I'm okay with that.

As for this debate my dear Neph, I do want to point out to your attention that the Emperor's Space Station is in orbit of Dromund Kaas

Originally posted by Nephthys
I am lazy though. And you misspelt 'smoking.'

Man, you've got him there...👆

Yeah, I keep up 🙂

Yes, I saw that. Is there any indication that a nexus extends into space. It's far enough away that you can't see Dromund Kaas when you board it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, I saw that. Is there any indication that a nexus extends into space. It's far enough away that you can't see Dromund Kaas when you board it.

Designer error for resuing the stock ship arriving at space station. You can't really see the planet Carrick Station is orbiting in the approach cutscene, but it's fairly close when you fly out in the starfighter.

The boost is probably not as much, but undoubtedly there.

Proof for any of that?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Proof for any of that?

The force exists in everything. A few kilometers is nothing compared to an entire planet being saturated by the Dark Side.

If the Dark Temple can corrupt an entire planet, I don't see why a few kilometers up would be any different/

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The force exists in everything. A few kilometers is nothing compared to an entire planet being saturated by the Dark Side.

If the Dark Temple can corrupt an entire planet, I don't see why a few kilometers up would be any different/

AFAIR, none of the Sith ever felt the effects of the nexuses until they were plantet-side. They sensed the power, but are never describes as being amped while in space.

Sidious takes down his copycat and gets back to ruling the empire.