Vitiate vs ROTS Sidious

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The force exists in everything. A few kilometers is nothing compared to an entire planet being saturated by the Dark Side.

If the Dark Temple can corrupt an entire planet, I don't see why a few kilometers up would be any different/

Yes, I'm going to have to agree with Ascendancy. Theres nothing indicating that a planets nexus extends.... outside of the planet. When Zannah called upon Ambria's darkside nexus she did so from the ground, from the planet itself. No-one has ever drawn on a nexus from space.

The Dark Temples corrupted Dromund Kaas? If it is a darkside nexus, I would have thought it would be all the Sith running around on it personally.

Also wheres the proof that it was mere designer error that caused Kaas to not be seen near the Emperor's Fortress?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Also disintegration is hardly really a feat, more of an author's interpretation. Starkiller's lightning does plenty more dangerous things, and yet it is very much inferior to Darth Sidious (Sidious killed Vader in seconds, Starkillers could not).

Lol at it being more of an interpretation. Starkiller does not do more dangerous things. He short-circuits an AT-AT, but that isn't necessarily more powerful than disintegration.

Also let it be known that Stakillers lightning not effecting Vader is criminally retarded. The TFU novel is.. okay but that bit really is dumb.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Also prove mid-game Hero of Tython is stronger than Darth Maul who is easily superior to all but the most elite Jedi Council members of the age. He has no Dark Council kills up to that point. Darth Angral wasn't on the Council.

How is Maul 'easily superior' to the majority of the Council? Since his return all he's done is beat a battered Kenobi, Mandalore and gotten his ass whooped in all other engagements. Maul is Council level, and thats all imo. I would hesitate to put him above Ventress tbh.

Also, I listed the Knights accomplishments. Their defeat of Scourge is enough considering the man has a Sith killcount in the quadruple digits and 'even the most powerful members of the Dark Council' were intimidated by him.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Tol Braga defeated a Dark Council member, but so what? Savage was able to demolish a Jedi Council member.

Could he fight one for several days straight though? And theres that Braga was chosen to lead the strike team against the Emperor and that he visibly pressed the Hero of Tython days if not hours before they defeated Vitiate.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The other two mooks are just that, mooks, with inferior feats to Tol and HoT.

I fail to see how being identified as among the most powerful, strongest and most resolute Jedi in the galaxy earns you the label of 'mook' but maybe I'm just not in tune with your special brand of biasImean logic.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
May I ask why dueling a featless Dark Council member is more impressive than defeating Adi Gallia, who has proved GG's equal?

Being on the Dark Council is a feat unto itself. It's not like the Jedi council where members like Coleman Trebor are allowed, the Dark Council is highly competitive and getting a position is not something done by a weakling.

Also:

YouTube video

Skip the moronic first 20 seconds. Adi Gallia was captured by GG, ergo she lost.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Vitiate has zero-no impressive TK feats. Sidious has also disintegrated shit with lightning, and also has some damned impressive force feats as per Darth Plaeguis.

Vitiate overpowered Revan, disintegrated T3 with a wave of his hand and demolished the Dark Temple while dying, all with TK. He is hardly a weakling.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
Well, what you've “established” is simply wrong then...

Nice comeback. Really forceful. Now I know you mean business. 👆

Originally posted by axel_jovan
Ninja'd by Mizukage_Yoda.
And as he said, none of these feats put JK or Braga on pair, let alone, ahead of Maul or Savage.
You should concede this point or try harded.

It wasn't ninja'd by Mizukage since he didn't actually respond to any of it.

If you don't think any of this puts them on Maul and Savage's level then you are clearly delusional.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
He did not need to. He has chosen to speed-blitz them. And as we see he can Force-pwn Maul and Savage, so there’s no reason why he couldn’t do the same to Kit, Tiin, Kolar….

But he didn't do it, therefore you cannot use it as a comparison. It was utterly irrelevant.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
Yeah, I'm sure Yoda walked into the senate chamber hoping to talk some sense into his ol' pal Palpy.
Don't act silly, Neph, and don't lowball this feat.
Maybe Yoda didn't have time to put up defense because Sids is just that good with FL...

I'm sorry, but I'm going to need to see some actual proof that Yoda attempted to block it. It may make sense to you that he would have tried, but to me it doesn't make sense that he couldn't block it there but could block it later.

He's so good that he can make his lightning move faster than normal huh? Well that is pretty good. Why it's almost unbelievable in fact.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
They don't have to disintegrate things to be uber...

No. For instance, you can demolish a massive temple with TK whilst cut nearly in half, dying and exhausted.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
You know as well as I do that Vader does some sick Force-feats in TFU, and Dooku Force showings in CW are also impressive.

Now, imagine what their TK would look like when amped by Dromund Kaas nexus…mmm

Yeah, Vitiate would be outclassed.

Yeah, but no. They haven't done anything on the scale of what Vitiate did. Dooku lifted some stones, great. Vitiate destroyed a huge temple. Thats about a few hundred times bigger than those stones.

Even amped its laughable to say they would outclass Vitiate.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
And since when being cut in half and dying is considered a TK feat?? 😛

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Originally posted by axel_jovan
So you agree that Sidious takes clear majority in sabers, and he takes all out…ok then.
And none of the things you’ve posted so far suggest Vitiate can take him in the Force, so yeah, Sidious wins this too.

Yes, Sidious could definitely win a lightsaber duel, but I didn't say that Vitiate would lose an all-out fight. I mentioned those other things as possibilities of how Vitiate could mitigate Sidious' lightsaber advantage in an all-out duel.

From one side there is no fights in space that would require drawing power from darkside nexus. From another, one of the strongest Force nexuses was on Coruscant and it couldn't be used, until wall of the structure it was contained in was broken. If a wall an isolate it, then kilometers of atmosphere should at least significantly weaken it.

Also, Leia in one book felt darkside nexus of exploded Death Star, only when the ship was in exact position where it exploded.

One of them uses their own power to drain the planet, but the other manipulates his minions or uses them to increase his own to drain the planet?

If that first one is Sidious, since the feat is off-screen we have no way of verifying that he drained Byss under his own power, plus he performed the feat over a number of years. It really isn't worth bringing up in a forum fight where he will not be given that length of time to prepare his attack.

Originally posted by Nephthys
plus he performed the feat over a number of years

Source?

**** off. You know he drained them over a buncha ****ing years, don't act coy you moist thundercunt.

Edit: Wow, ***** is censored but not thundercunt. Bizarre.

To my knowledge, no source ever actually ascribes a time sketch for it. It could have been months, years, or even decades.

I'm pretty sure it directly says he drained and dominated them over a period of years. 😐

Didn't he only keep them alive so he could repeat it rather than kill them all outright? As in being able to use it again and again.

I'm not sure. All I know about that is Tempest whingingly going 'okay so he didn't actually kill them like Vitiate and Nihilus did, but only cuz he didn't want to! That doesn't make it less powerful than their drain!' I'm unaware of any source saying he could have drained them completely of life had he so chosen though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm pretty sure it directly says he drained and dominated them over a period of years. 😐

Then you should have no trouble directing me to "it."

Spoiler:
Unless "it" is your penis, in which case you're going to need all the help you can get.

Originally posted by pencilcrayon
Didn't he only keep them alive so he could repeat it rather than kill them all outright? As in being able to use it again and again.

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Confirmed by The Book of Sith, page 94. The inhabitants of Byss "supplied an energy pool" for the Emperor's dark side experiments.

Much like blood donations, it makes sense that it works better as a renewable source. You can get more that way.

I would say Vitiate has the more powerful Sith Lightning and Mind Domination abilities, while ROTS Sidious has the more impressive TK here. Evidently Mind Domination will not come into play for this fight.

And as the TK difference seems small, considering Vitiate could collapse a temple on his deathbed. While his lightning seems to be a great deal superior to Sidious's as of ROTS.

I'd give the Force advantage to Vitiate by a fair margine, but Sidious comes out with his far superior saber skills, and strategy and ends up winning this.

That seems to be a fair and reasonable assessment. 👆

Didn't his lightning not push back hero of tython's saber? But this other guy could make his opponent choke on ozone before giving up. He only won the saber fight legitimately.

Just proving how awesome the Hero of Tython is. estahuh

Originally posted by Nephthys

How is Maul 'easily superior' to the majority of the Council?

Since Dave Filoni outright confirmed that even Opress's performace against Sidious was superior to 3 "celebrated" Council Members.

So it's kind of a non-brainer that Maul is well above the majority of the Council.

So even on Dromund Kaas, he was still overpowered by a lightsaber wielder when he tried using his lightning? ( Does this planet amplify his abilities, too? )

SLJ was being overpowered by the lightning without amplification for the old man and that it was beyond vaapad? Isn't that supposed to give him a boost?

5 days is enough time for me to declare myself the winner.

Booyah!

Please, I conquered this thread the moment I graced it with my divine presence. You may take your place at my feet.