Would Naruto be weak without the nine tails and sage mode?

Taking away the nine tails is one thing, but why Sage mode? That's an ability he on his own possesses, why strip him of it?

Anyway, he'd still be very powerful, considering how a significant portion of his own chakra was constantly used to suppress the nine tails. Even then, he still has Ashura's chakra within him--He would regardless have become one of the most prominent ninja of his day before long.

Before the whole Ashura chakra reincarnation BS was revealed, I'd have disagreed with the idea that Naruto would be very powerful without Kurama and Sage Mode.

This thread is like asking if goku would be weak without turning into an ssj or if yuseke couldnt use spirit gun would he be weak. Of course he would be weaker without those power ups but they dont make naruto who he is.

Its stupid to take away a part of a character just because you dont like that facet of his power

Short answer is no.

Without Kyuubi his chakra control would be perfect in part one

His parents would be alive and would taught him FTG, Fuinjutsu and Rasengan

Jirayia would taught him Summoning and SM

I don't know if the presence of kyuubi actually does negatively affect his chakra control... but in any case, by the end his chakra shaping is fantastic.

^ It was inferred that Kurama affected his chakra more than once iirc. Ebisu commented on it. I believe Kakashi and Jiraiya stated as well. I don't think it would have been perfect due to a genius like Sasuke having issues with control himself early on, but definitely better than with Kurama's prescence.

I also agree with immortal beauty about his parents teaching uber BA attacks. With his parents alive, he is probably another Minato level character easy with higher chakra stores. That's more than enough skill to wreck most of the narutoverse minus the bads from 4th war arc.

In the anime its states naruto would have 100x kakashis chackra rather then 4x if he wasn't suppressing the nine tails

Originally posted by socool8520
^ It was inferred that Kurama affected his chakra more than once iirc. Ebisu commented on it. I believe Kakashi and Jiraiya stated as well. I don't think it would have been perfect due to a genius like Sasuke having issues with control himself early on, but definitely better than with Kurama's prescence.

I also agree with immortal beauty about his parents teaching uber BA attacks. With his parents alive, he is probably another Minato level character easy with higher chakra stores. That's more than enough skill to wreck most of the narutoverse minus the bads from 4th war arc.

^ This.

Originally posted by Spooderswej
In the anime its states naruto would have 100x kakashis chackra rather then 4x if he wasn't suppressing the nine tails

I'm pretty sure that was in the manga too.

Whether it's simply talking about his chakra being that high because he could control the nine-tails, or he would have all of his own natural chakra, is up for debate though.

In the manga, Kakashi says "at least twice as much, likely a lot more". A far cry from 100x.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
In the manga, Kakashi says "at least twice as much, likely a lot more". A far cry from 100x.

Was it only twice? We're talking about when Yamato and Kakashi were training Naruto to learn Rasen-shuriken, in case you're not sure. Could you give a scan? For the life of me, I can't find the right page, and I'm not content reading through the whole saga again, lol.

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-320-11/naruto/chapter-315.html

At least twice as much normally, and 100x with Kurama.

Makes sense that Naruto has a lot of chakra normally. His mom was a Jinchuriki.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-320-11/naruto/chapter-315.html

At least twice as much normally, and 100x with Kurama.

Makes sense that Naruto has a lot of chakra normally. His mom was a Jinchuriki.

Oh, awesome.

Yeah though, not to mention that the Uzumaki clan has a ton of chakra normally, because they're a branch of the Senju clan.

But yeah, with twice the amount of chakra that Kakashi has, Naruto, trained under Minato, would have been a monster, lol. He definitely would have been superior to Minato himself, at least at the age he was when say... He fought Kaguya, lol.

he still has a shit ton of chakra... id say hed be a decent jonin not necessarily top tier tho... ppl like lee and neji from the leaf would be able to beat him

He'd probably reach fairly high tier eventually since he never gives up, it'd just take a lot more time and work.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-320-11/naruto/chapter-315.html

At least twice as much normally, and 100x with Kurama.

Makes sense that Naruto has a lot of chakra normally. His mom was a Jinchuriki.

He has Asura's chakra too, and it's safe to assume that Asura had a lot of chakra.

Considering that he has to have the chakra to perform uber attacks early on, but still have enough to counter Kurama taking over his body, I would think that 2x Kakashi's chakra reserves is probably a very low estimate.