ROTS Mace Windu Vs AOTC/ROTS Count Dooku

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lastly, we've HAVE seen level 8 compete with level 9's in a prolonged battle. That is EXACTLY what Kenobi did with Anakin... So actually we've seen that very thing and confirms how a level 8 dooku could compete with Yoda in an even shorter battle than the one I mentioned.

That said, why are you now attempting to change your opinion on the matter in THIS thread? Is it because you think such a ridiculous 'point'(of which I've thoroughly debunked, mind you) will aid your argumentation..? Lol, don't be so petty.

As for the rest of your posts: I disagree entirely. There's no reason to argue with you any further, though-- too many people are already bombarding you with their own disagreements.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
.Well....yeah. That's why I have them both at low-level 9.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sidious has a better showing against Yoda than Dooku though, and Dooku is more or less an equal to Mace.

Originally posted by Galan007
Weren't you one of the many people who AGREED that Vader could NOT have been a level 9, and Kenobi could NOT have been a level 8, because the difference between levels is "enormous"(per Gillard), and there was clearly NOT an "enormous" difference between them on Mustafar? That's a rhetorical question, btw. I KNOW you agreed with me-- I can even repost your multiple statements of agreement, if you'd like? 🙂

That said, why are you now attempting to change your opinion on the matter in THIS thread? Is it because you think such a ridiculous 'point' will aid your argumentation(of which no one agrees with, btw)..? Lol, don't be so petty.

As for the rest of your posts: I disagree entirely. There's no reason to argue with you any further, though-- too many people are already bombarding you.

👆

Firstly you can't disagree with me entirely my friend.. In one situation in particular... you know I'm right i.e. the force reserves. You don't believe people have unlimited force reserves.. thus Dooku havnig to replenish himself limited what he could call upon later. Fact. As for the rest.. I guess we'll just leave it as is.

To the first part of your statement where you say I'm contradicting myself... I have done NO such thing. I agreed with you that there wasn't AN ENORMOUS difference between an 8 or 9. AT NO point in any of my statement in this thread have I gone against that. I have maintained and still maintain that Gillard was plain wrong in saying there was an enormous difference. Now, i'm just trying to figure out the point you were making. You said a level 8 can't compete with a level 9 in a prolonged battle.. I said, that isn't true. Me thinking there isn't an enormous difference between 8 n 9 is confirmed by the fight in question (kenobi vs. anakin) I have stated numerous times.. either there isn't an enormous difference between 8 or 9.. OR.. kenobi is actually a bottom of the ladder 9 and grown in power such Gillard made him an 8. I fail to see any contradiction in this thread compared to the other.

Circumstances heavily favored Obi-Wan in their fight on Mustafar.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Firstly you can't disagree with me entirely my friend.. In one situation in particular... you know I'm right i.e. the force reserves. You don't believe people have unlimited force reserves.. thus Dooku havnig to replenish himself limited what he could call upon later. Fact. As for the rest.. I guess we'll just leave it as is.

As for the rest: no reason to get into it. The difference between them wasn't "enormous", and Vader was clearly not superior to 't3h z0n3' Anakin, for reasons I've commented on thoroughly in the past. 🙂

't3h z0ne' Anakin?

The 'version' of Anakin that slew Dooku as though he were a talentless feeb.

Ah.

't3h z0ne' Anakin would waste Vader then.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Who said Sidious didn't stomp the brothers? He completely ragdolled them.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I suppose you're refering to DARTH POWER.

I wasn't around then.

I never said that at all. I only argued they put up a challenge in Pure Sabers when fighting together. And and Enraged Maul for a bit on his own (again in Sabers only).

And I disagreed that Sidious was significantly holding back the whole fight.

But I never once disagreed that Sidious beat the crap out of them both. How could I? We all saw him doing just that.

But some people will continue to twist history or simply lie their asses off. Continue to indirectly have a go at me and then have the nerve to accuse me of being a stalker. I'm waiting for the moderators to once more ban such ass wipes.

Okay.

Who cares about 8's and 9's....All I care about is facts....
And Dooku beating Mace isn't one of them...
Last I checked sparring is sparring..lol it's not a real fight.

Alright new thread Jango Fett vs Phow Ji...or something.
DP we need the haters they make us stronger...I don't think you're a stalker...
Just a fellow blogger that knows his craft...

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Continue to indirectly have a go at me and then have the nerve to accuse me of being a stalker.

You were one, though. 😬

Nice to see you concede that Sidious utterly dominated the brothers and that he's smarter, more powerful, and better than Dooku. I was simply biding my time for such a confession.

Btw, "ass wipe" isn't a particularly polite appellation.

By far DP's worst summary I've seen is... Dooku stomped two level 8's... WTF... STomping isn't being put on the defensive the entire fight and getting vital energy depleted.. needing to call your guards to seperate them and break off the attack... One offensive move that put Kenobi down and Anakin stunned ever so briefly only to be stomped and killed 1 v 1.. can never, and should never be classified as a stomping.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
By far DP's worst summary I've seen is... Dooku stomped two level 8's... WTF... STomping isn't being put on the defensive the entire fight and getting vital energy depleted.. needing to call your guards to seperate them and break off the attack... One offensive move that put Kenobi down and Anakin stunned ever so briefly only to be stomped and killed 1 v 1.. can never, and should never be classified as a stomping.

What the hell man? He never called for his guards!

If your saying Obi-Wan and Anakin were giving Dooku trouble in the Saber portion of the fight. Then yeah I agree. He surely would have lost a pure Saber duel against the two of them.

But that move he did that put out Kenobi and Incapacitated Anakin for a good 10 seconds was completely humiliating. Up until that point he was clearly the superior combatant.

Also since he kick slammed Anakin into a helpless state, I think that counts as besting him in Sabers. The fact that he did it while simultaneously force choking Kenobi just makes it 10 times more impressive.

So unless your claiming Anakin was a level 7 or something at that point, it's clear Dooku's up there in the levels. I'm not against the idea of him being an elite 8, like a 8.9. But if that's true then Mace can't be more than a 9.0/9.1, Because there simply isn't that much difference between the 2 of them.

ACtually HE did.. the novel makes this clear. Just because we don't hear him say that.. doesn't mean it didn't happen. That isn't a direct conflict. The novel goes into in depth details on actions.. thoughts of the key players. Just because we don't hear them verbalize these thoughts in the movies doesn't mean we throw out hundreds of pages of dialogue and thoughts. It can only be thrown out i there is a direct conflict. There isn't.. The guards appeared and came to help dooku.

It is a 'direct conflict', because Dooku doesn't shout: "Guards!" in the film, like he does in the novel. You're grasping at straws here. srsly

I'm siding with KT on this one. The droids were present the moment Dooku crossed the threshold but didn't intervene until he was on the backfoot, retreating up the steps. It's clear, whether we hear him summon them in the film or not, that he was getting desperate.

Direct conflict with the book would be if Dooku in the film told the guards to not interfere.

You understand conflict my friend.. A conflict is a contradiction.. there is no contradiction here. A contradiction would be him expressing no need for guards or no need for anybody or saying the guards would be useless. None of that happens. Just because we don't see them say things in the movie that we do in the novel doesn't mean it's thrown out. You never answered my question for good reason my friend.. are you claiming all descriptions of things or thoughts not expressed in the movie but in the novel are thus thrown out? That is what you're claiming here.. just because dooku didn't epress it in the movie it's thrown out. For God's sake.. we see the guards appear.. we seem them appear to help dooku... we see them seperate anakin from kenobi just as dooku wanted and the novel state... yet you go... no he didn't say guards help.. lol. Come on, I'm not the one grasping at straws. Please answer the question.. are you claiming all that should be thrown out if not directly expressed in the movie?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm siding with KT on this one. The droids were present the moment Dooku crossed the threshold but didn't intervene until he was on the backfoot, retreating up the steps. It's clear, whether we hear him summon them in the film or not, that he was getting desperate.

Direct conflict with the book would be if Dooku in the film told the guards to not interfere.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm siding with KT on this one. The droids were present the moment Dooku crossed the threshold but didn't intervene until he was on the backfoot, retreating up the steps. It's clear, whether we hear him summon them in the film or not, that he was getting desperate.

Direct conflict with the book would be if Dooku in the film told the guards to not interfere.

Now, I'm also not saying that the duo(primarily Anakin) weren't giving Dooku hell-- they obviously were(he kept separating them for a reason, after all.) However, this tactic isn't uncommon when Sith face multiple foes-- Palpatine repeatedly separated Maul and Savage as well.