Kit Fisto vs Shaak Ti

Battle between the Jedi council members.

Setting: AOTC Kamino platform
State: Bloodlusted
Restrictions: None
Bonus: Kit gets two sabers 😎

Who takes it?

Shaak Ti.

Fisto takes it imo.

If we use their respective battles against Grievous as a gauge, then Fisto should stomp.

Originally posted by Galan007
If we use their respective battles against Grievous as a gauge, then Fisto should stomp.

Shaak Ti fought cartoon Grievous (while tired/beat up from previous battle!), Fisto CGI Grievous.

If we use their other feats, then Shaak Ti wins.

Heck, didn't Dooku in the Grievous novel say he was no match for a Cin Dralliq or Shaak Ti?

Originally posted by Q99
Shaak Ti fought cartoon Grievous (while tired/beat up from previous battle!), Fisto CGI Grievous.

If we use their other feats, then Shaak Ti wins.

Heck, didn't Dooku in the Grievous novel say he was no match for a Cin Dralliq or Shaak Ti?

Yup, in fact the most recent release it explicitly states Shaak Ti.

Originally posted by Q99
Shaak Ti fought cartoon Grievous (while tired/beat up from previous battle!), Fisto CGI Grievous.

Fisto, on the other hand, tooled GG pretty casually by himself.

Originally posted by Galan007
Shaak Ti AND Ki Adi Mundi fought Grievous, you mean? And he stomped them quite easily(although Mundi put up an okay fight.)

Fisto, on the other hand, tooled GG pretty casually by himself.

Again, Cartoon Grievous. Grievous never showed the levels he did during the cartoon again.

And hadn't the force he fought already engaged in heavy combat and wasn't too fresh, and was kinda caught by surprise by him?

That is true; Fisto was relatively fresh when he fought him; those other Jedi were at the tail end of a massive battle.

I consider Shaak Ti to be #5 after Kenobi, Skywalker, Mace, and Yoda honestly. She's got a lot of hype and not terrible feats.

Lol. What hype? What feats? Only one quote from LoE which only is Dooku's opinion and then another saying her Makashi was graceful or something?

Originally posted by Q99
Again, Cartoon Grievous. Grievous never showed the levels he did during the cartoon again.

And hadn't the force he fought already engaged in heavy combat and wasn't too fresh, and was kinda caught by surprise by him?

That said, absolutely nothing from this scene indicates that Shaak Ti was less powerful than normal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXQx_QLY8XM
...Yet Grievous owned her effortlessly.

There's also this battle scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64-3talVkUA
Any time Shaak Ti (and co.) were confronted by Grievous, he easily outmatched them in sabers.

The above are sharp contrasts to GG's battle with Fisto, in which Fisto got the better of Grievous on a few occasions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-t9GlT9qmk

That's all I'm saying.

^True. Grievous' power has been retconned though, he isn't anything special anymore, hardly on par with random Council Members. In the OCW and LoE he was better than he is now.

It's not a retcon unless an authority on the matter officially states: "CG Grievous is weaker than cartoon Grievous"(or some-such.) Until then, we can only assume that his skills/abilities remained consistent throughout the Clone Wars, whether he displayed them to the same extent or not. Any other assumptions are purely opinion-based.

He stomped 5 Jedi in the OCW, was able to rival Mace/Dooku, now Jedi such as Koth and Fisto are able to beat him.

Also, Filoni said in an interview he isn't the Grievous we were used to know.

Originally posted by Jedi Mom
He stomped 5 Jedi in the OCW, was able to rival Mace/Dooku, now Jedi such as Koth and Fisto are able to beat him.

"If you are to succeed in combat against the best of the Jedi, you must have fear, surprise and intimidation on your side... For if any one element is lacking, it would be best for you to retreat. You must break them before you engage them. Only then will you ensure victory."

At any rate, both Koth and Fisto used the force at some point during their battles to gain an advantage over Grievous. Despite this, it's still very clear that even CG Grievous was skillful enough to contend with them in a pure saber match(heck, GG appeared to have the advantage over Koth until he used the force.) Also keep in mind that the opponents CG Grievous has battled are, in general, of much higher level than the no-names he battled in the cartoon--- this may be where the perceived 'power difference' stems from..? /shrug

Originally posted by Jedi Mom
Also, Filoni said in an interview he isn't the Grievous we were used to know.

Originally posted by Galan007
Grievous never 'rivaled' Dooku. As far as his brief scuffle with Mace during LoE is concerned: all GG really did was dupe a version of Mace's Vaapad, and begin using it against him-- an ability Mace was not aware of, nor was he ready for. That's why he opted to tool GG with the force instead. Regardless, you make it sound like Grievous was on the same level as Mace and Dooku before the CG stuff came about. He clearly wasn't-- not even his feats in the cartoon were indicative of such. That's why Dooku made this comment during their training session in the cartoon:

"If you are to succeed in combat against the best of the Jedi, you must have fear, surprise and intimidation on your side... For if any one element is lacking, it would be best for you to retreat. You must break them before you engage them. Only then will you ensure victory."

At any rate, both Koth and Fisto used the force at some point during their battles to gain an advantage over Grievous. Despite this, it's still very clear that even CG Grievous was skillful enough to contend with them in a pure saber match(heck, GG appeared to have the advantage over Koth until he used the force.) Also keep in mind that the opponents CG Grievous has battled are, in general, of much higher level than the no-names he battled in the cartoon--- this may be where the perceived 'power difference' stems from..? /shrug

Do you have the actual quote on hand? Because if that's all he said, then it is an extremely ambiguous statement.

1. Fair enough. You make good points.

2. ''It's not the sensibility that people got, you know, unfortunately or not in the previous Micro series where they're all hiding in a ship worried about Grievous is gonna come and stomp on them.''

Ashoka performed better in TCW against Grievous than Mundi and Shaak Ti did. That doesn't make her more powerful than both of them. Eth Koth also battered him with a wounded arm no less.

I do believe Grievous is still a threat in Pure Sabers to almost any Jedi. But he's not on the level anymore where he can take on and defeat 2 Council Members in an all out.

Originally posted by Jedi Mom
1. Fair enough. You make good points.

2. ''It's not the sensibility that people got, you know, unfortunately or not in the previous Micro series where they're all hiding in a ship worried about Grievous is gonna come and stomp on them.''

Tbh I'm not even sure what that singular statement implies.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Ashoka performed better in TCW against Grievous than Mundi and Shaak Ti did. That doesn't make her more powerful than both of them.

Conversely, Shaak Ti and Mundi faltered when they tried going blow-for-blow with Grievous. Had they used the force against him (like many other Jedi have) they likely could have prevailed. GG has no counter to the force.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Eth Koth also battered him with a wounded arm no less.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But he's not on the level anymore where he can take on and defeat 2 Council Members in an all out.