Kit Fisto vs Shaak Ti

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
If the novel coincides with the movie, then Grievous was beaten handily by Kenobi, because that's the way it happened in the movie.

All I'm saying is that, per the RotS novelization, GG's speed was still sufficient to nearly overwhelm Kenobi's Soresu, which forced Obi to switch tactics and launch an offensive counterattack(which is why/how he won.) Whether he lost or not, the fact that GG was capable of overwhelming Kenobi's Soresu is nothing short of remarkable, given how highly it was praised in the same novel.

Originally posted by Galan007
Given that Anakin was promoted to a Knight roughly 4 weeks after the battle of Geonosis,

Originally posted by Merlyn
Really? I thought it took longer then that. 😕

So yeah, he was Knighted roughly a month after AotC.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
The movie would disagree with the novel.

Unless the novel is considered higher canon than the movie itself, then there's no point arguing this. From what we see in the movie, Grievous gets his arse handed to him and then runs for his life, failing.

Staying on topic, Shaak Tii wins.

Originally posted by Galan007

b.) He hardly beat Asajj and Durge "easily":
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Hey thanks, I've never seen that before 👆

Seems to me that Ventress won the Saber fight anyway even then.

She was taken down by Grievous's physical attacks having no idea who/what she was up against.

Originally posted by Galan007

There was nothing else going on. Shaak Ti and the Hammerhead no-name Jedi were fighting Magnaguards atop the carrier. That's it. At NO point in time did Shaak Ti gain an advantage over said Magnaguard-- and she had ample time in which to do so.

She was given some time, in a very tense situation with the focus really being on defending the Chancellor. But still I can pretty much guarantee she would have beat it.

I mean unless you think that 1 magnaguard could have engaged 20 other magnaguards like Shaak Ti did later. I think that scene made it perfectly clear that a rested Shaak Ti, with nothing else to focus on, is clearly >>> than any 1 Magnaguard.

Originally posted by Galan007
Same clip. Grievous consistently forces back Shaak Ti + 2 other fodder Jedi.

Grievous puts most Jedi on the defense due to his cyborg strength. That doesn't mean he'll win.

Besides like you said Fodder Jedi hardly mean much. Plus they were all probably tiring a bit by then.

Originally posted by Vensai
I think Form two > Form one would give her an advantage anyway.

Fisto is actually using Jar Kai here. So I don't think that is Form I.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Fisto is actually using Jar Kai here. So I don't think that is Form I.

I think Jar Kai can be used with most forms.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Hey thanks, I've never seen that before 👆

Seems to me that Ventress won the Saber fight anyway even then.

She was taken down by Grievous's physical attacks having no idea who/what she was up against.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
She was given some time, in a very tense situation with the focus really being on defending the Chancellor. But still I can pretty much guarantee she would have beat it.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Grievous puts most Jedi on the defense due to his cyborg strength. That doesn't mean he'll win.

Strength+speed+skill+cunning are the actual reasonS. 😉

Originally posted by Jedi Mom
Lol. What hype? What feats? Only one quote from LoE which only is Dooku's opinion and then another saying her Makashi was graceful or something?

Three words.

The Force Unleashed

Originally posted by Galan007
Fodder Jedi are completely inconsequential. Mundi and Shaak Ti are also inconsequential, given that they were "exhausted" at the time. Go run 10 miles, then try to beat your best 40 yard dash time immediately afterward. Ain't gonna happen.

Even when she was fresh, Shaak Ti was hard-pressed to defeat a single Magnaguard during Grievous' siege on Courscant. That alone should tell you where she stands in comparison to the General himself.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRSPpRQyCM

5:11 onward.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRSPpRQyCM

5:11 onward.

Furthermore, not all Magnaguards are of equal skill:

Originally posted by Galan007

Magnaguards learn and evolve from every battle. Thus, Magnaguards with years of battle experience would obviously be much more skilled than Magnaguards that are hot off the press and have very little battle experience.

Varying 'levels' of Magnaguard is, imo, why we saw such a huge difference here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRSPpRQyCM
At 1:39 a single Magnaguard is skillful enough to give Shaak Ti a good fight. At 5:16 Shaak Ti is able to match a dozen(or so) Magnaguards for an extended period of time--- it's hard to attribute that to anything but differences in the skill-level of the Magnaguards, imo. After all, by the time Shaak Ti fought the cluster of them, she would have almost certainly been more fatigued(by a substantial margin, I'd guess) then when she battled the first one. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
That doesn't change the fact that a single Magnaguard stalemated her from 1:39-2:03.

Furthermore, not all Magnaguards are of equal skill:

It just means she wasn't fighting at the best of her ability against that 1.

Just like Kenobi's been kicked and thrown by Grievous multiple times, but his performance there clearly wasn't on the same level he gave against Maul and Opress who combined could not land a single hit on him.

Or just like Skywalker was getting kicked half way across the room onto his rear by Dooku one moment, then the next battered through his defenses like he was nothing.

End of the day no matter the gap in skill between magnaguards, there's never been anything to suggest that 1 is good enough to engage another 10-20.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It just means she wasn't fighting at the best of her ability against that 1.

Relatively speaking, it's like comparing a Youngling to a Jedi Master-- and I certainly wouldn't put a dozen(or so) Younglings over a seasoned Jedi Master. /shrug

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
End of the day no matter the gap in skill between magnaguards, there's never been anything to suggest that 1 is good enough to engage another 10-20.

Going by visual evidence only is fallacy logic.

Visual evidence(ie. portrayed feats) is the best type evidence.

Hmm. Is evidence such as portrayed in books called visual evidence? If so what I meant to say is going by evidence on-screen only is fallacy logic.

Originally posted by Jedi Mom
Hmm. Is evidence such as portrayed in books called visual evidence? If so what I meant to say is going by evidence on-screen only is fallacy logic.

Originally posted by Galan007
That doesn't change the fact that a single Magnaguard stalemated her from 1:39-2:03.

Furthermore, not all Magnaguards are of equal skill:

Or Shaak Ti wasn't going all out/ was adjusting to the Magnaguards unique fighting styles. Shaak Ti fought a Magnaguard for about as long as Kenobi and Skywalker did in ROTS. It's a low end feat. Either way that doesn't count as a bad feat for Shaak Ti moreso a good feat for that magnaguard.

Also if we go with that didn't Kit Fisto struggle with Magnaguards in LOE? excellent

Dunno. Dooku thought of Grievous as ''useles'' against his Magnaguards in a sparring session before he disarms two of them.

Originally posted by Jedi Mom
Dunno. Dooku thought of Grievous as ''useles'' against his Magnaguards in a sparring session before he disarms two of them.