Originally posted by Galan007
Why in the heck should I believe that Shaak Ti wasn't fighting to the best of her ability against that one Magnaguard, when we know some Magnaguards are more skillful than others? As the info I posted above describes: Magnaguards learn/evolve from every battle. Therefore, droids with "countless battles" under their belts are going to possess much more skill than brand new droids that have never been involved in a battle.
Yes but I've seen nothing to make me believe that the skill level is so huge 1 Magnaguard can engage 10-20 other magnaguards. Even most Jedi can't do that.
And that's why you should probably give Shaak Ti the benefit of the doubt and assume that her taking a while to defeat 1 Magnaguard probably wasn't a peak performance for her.
Just like Kenobi getting overpowered by Opress the first 2-3 times they fought obviously wasn't a peak performance for him.
Or Skywalker getting knocked senseless by Dooku in ROTS (while fighting alongside Kenobi mind you) clearly wasn't a peak performance for him as he proved a few seconds later against the same opponent.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERMeh, we know Magnaguards learn/evolve from every battle, after receiving training from Grievous himself. That said, if a Magnaguard has been involved in countless battles over several years(as was the case with a few of them), it is absolutely/undeniably going to be superior to brand new Magnaguards with no battle/field experience to speak of. As I said: relatively speaking, it's like comparing a Youngling to a Jedi Master-- and I certainly wouldn't put a dozen(or so) Younglings over a seasoned Jedi Master. /shrug
Yes but I've seen nothing to make me believe that the skill level is so huge 1 Magnaguard can engage 10-20 other magnaguards. Even most Jedi can't do that.
Originally posted by VensaiGiven that they rarely ever engage Jedi solo, it's extremely hard to find an 'average' for singular/seasoned Magnaguards. All we really have to go by are Shaak Ti, RotS Kenobi and RotS Anakin's battles against them.
That'll be hard to judge. Surely there is some average level of skill most have.
Originally posted by Galan007
Meh, we know Magnaguards learn/evolve from every battle, after receiving training from Grievous himself. That said, if a Magnaguard has been involved in countless battles over several years(as was the case with a few of them), it is absolutely/undeniably going to be superior to brand new Magnaguards with no battle/field experience to speak of. As I said: relatively speaking, it's like comparing a Youngling to a Jedi Master-- and I certainly wouldn't put a dozen(or so) Younglings over a seasoned Jedi Master. /shrug
Except those Magnaguards weren't brand new. Grievous grants the ones that he views as more skillful and have proved themselves cloaks. All dozen or so of the ones Shaak Ti fought had cloaks.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Except those Magnaguards weren't brand new. Grievous grants the ones that he views as more skillful and have proved themselves cloaks. All dozen or so of the ones Shaak Ti fought had cloaks.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That's his point. That that 1 Magnaguard = Shaak Ti. But Grievous >> than that 1 Magnaguard and hence >> Shaak Ti.
Shaak Ti was definitely well over that one Magnaguard, she killed it without a scratch.
And the fight had a break in it so they could retreat with Palpatine more.
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaNot saying it isn't true, but where did you hear that? I was of the impression that nearly all Magnaguards were intended to wear cloaks in order to pay tribute to the Kaleesh warriors who were under Grievous' original command-- the RotS Visual Dictionary confirms as much. I've never heard that cloaks equated to some sort of ranking system..? Even if that is the case, though, it doesn't make all cloaked Magnaguards equal by proxy-- those with the most battle experience will always be better than those with less battle experience.
Except those Magnaguards weren't brand new. Grievous grants the ones that he views as more skillful and have proved themselves cloaks. All dozen or so of the ones Shaak Ti fought had cloaks.
Regardless, even counting the SW animated series, I've only seen maybe 5 total Magnaguards without a cloak. I have a hard time believing just those 5 weren't worthy of one. /shrug
Originally posted by VensaiOne of those Magnaguards was cloaked. The other 2 weren't. Tbh, I saw no discernible difference in their skill level. /shrug
Hm, I didn't know that. It makes sense though considering Ahsoka was able to take down three uncloaked ones as a noob.
Originally posted by Q99The location of the battles was surely a big contributing factor as well. When she battled the single guard atop the carrier, she had very little room to move around in. When she battled multiple guards in the tunnels, she had ample room to move in.
Shaak Ti was definitely well over that one Magnaguard, she killed it without a scratch.And the fight had a break in it so they could retreat with Palpatine more.
Originally posted by Galan007
[B]Not saying it isn't true, but where did you hear that? I was of the impression that nearly all Magnaguards were intended to wear cloaks in order to pay tribute to the Kaleesh warriors who were under Grievous' original command-- the RotS Visual Dictionary confirms as much. I've never heard that cloaks equated to some sort of ranking system..? Even if that is the case, though, it doesn't make all cloaked Magnaguards equal by proxy-- those with the most battle experience will always be better than those with less battle experience.
Nah you are right. However it does make sense that the ones without cloaks are not a part of Grievous' personal guard.