And? Grievous didn't best Shaak Ti/Mundi because they were scared of them-- he won because a.) they only tried using the force against him a single time, and b.) he is that good.
In no way/shape/form did Filoni's statement allude to CG Grievous being weaker than his cartoon counterpart. All it said is that CG Jedi wouldn't be fearful of Grievous. Simple.
While Fisto fared much better than Shaak Ti, he didn't 'best' Grievous. He lopped off one of his hands and stalemated him until the Magnaguards entered the fray:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-t9GlT9qmk
And as you can see: Fisto did effectively use the force.
a) He did best him. Slicing one of his hands and then Grievous calling Magnaguards for help?
b) Yeah my bad. Didn't help him though. He could've killed Grievous right there but did not.
c) Even if Fisto=CW Grievous and CW Grievous=OCW Grievous, Fisto would be able to floor 5 Jedi. You think he could, especially since two of those were Shaak Ti and Ki-Adi Mundi?
Originally posted by Jedi Moma.) Slicing off one of Grievous' hands =/= 'besting' him-- he's still got 3 other hands to work with. That's why, even after Fisto de-handed Grievous, he still couldn't gain any sort of clear advantage in sabers-- even with Jar'Kai.
a) He did best him. Slicing one of his hands and then Grievous calling Magnaguards for help?b) Yeah my bad. Didn't help him though. He could've killed Grievous right there but did not.
c) Even if Fisto=CW Grievous and CW Grievous=OCW Grievous, Fisto would be able to floor 5 Jedi. You think he could, especially since two of those were Shaak Ti and Ki-Adi Mundi?
b.) He still used the force to gain ground, though. Shaak Ti/Mundi did not. They tried to go strike for strike with Grievous-- an idiotic move given that, even during RotS, Grievous' strike-speed was sufficient to overwhelm the defenses of 'Soresu-God' Kenobi.
c.) Do I think Fisto could defeat 3 fodder Jedi, and Shaak Ti/Mundi(who at the time were fodder-ish) based on his showing against Grievous? Absolutely.
Originally posted by Jedi Mom
The limit is their force reserves. And is there any proof they replenished themselves? I'm talking about the five Jedi Grievous fought.
A bit strange asking for proof that they replenished themselves since that's hardly ever been noted in SW Canon.
Either way Mundi specifically notes it in the next episode that they were all exhausted. So replenishing themselves is neither here or there.
The next time Grievous beats Shaak Ti(at the Battle of Coruscant), Grievous himself notes that she's again exhausted.
Originally posted by Jedi Mom
Fair enough. I'm not convinced Fisto would be able to do what Grievous did though, exhausted or not.Mundi himself was able to drive Ventress away.
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Canon or not the micro series has been called exaggerated numerous times. So feat comparisons between it and other media is not advisable Imo.
Yeah. For now on when discussing Grievous I'm only gonna use TCW/RotS+quotes supporting what TCW/RotS is trying to indicate (that he is at Council Member level).
Help out on this one though;
And as to the general's combat skills, few, if any, Jedi would be capable of defeating him. There had been moments during the extensive combat sessions when even Dooku had been hard-pressed to outduel the cyborg.''
-Labyrinth of Evil
"Power moves served you well on Hypori against Jedi such as Daakman Barrek and Tarr Seir. But I pity you should you have to face off against any of the Council Masters."
He called into hand his courtly, curve-handled lightsaber and drew a rapid X in the air - - a Makashi flourish.
"Do I need to demonstrate what responses you can expect from Shaak Ti or Obi-Wan Kenobi? From Mace Windu or, stars help you, Yoda?"
He flicked his blade quickly, ridding two of the guards of their staffs, then placing the glowing tip a millimeter from Grievous's death-helmeted visage.
"Finesse. Artfulness. Economy. Otherwise, my friend, I fear that you will end up beyond the repair of even the Geonosians. Do you take my meaning?"
Direct contradiction from the same source. I'm not arguing for the sake of it, just confused by Grievous' inconcistency.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER馃憜
Either way Mundi specifically notes it in the next episode that they were all exhausted. So replenishing themselves is neither here or there.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERShaak Ti had a few run-ins with Grievous during the siege of Courscant, when she was fresh. Any time she (and the 2 other fodder Jedi) were confronted by Grievous, they were continuously forced back-- Shaak Ti herself appeared terrified of the good general. Heck, at one point during that battle, a single Magnaguard was giving Shaak Ti hell-- and we know Grievous is >>> any Magnaguard.
The next time Grievous beats Shaak Ti(at the Battle of Coruscant), Grievous himself notes that she's again exhausted.
Originally posted by Jedi MomHelp out on this one though;
And as to the general's combat skills, few, if any, Jedi would be capable of defeating him. There had been moments during the extensive combat sessions when even Dooku had been hard-pressed to outduel the cyborg.''
-Labyrinth of Evil"Power moves served you well on Hypori against Jedi such as Daakman Barrek and Tarr Seir. But I pity you should you have to face off against any of the Council Masters."
He called into hand his courtly, curve-handled lightsaber and drew a rapid X in the air - - a Makashi flourish.
"Do I need to demonstrate what responses you can expect from Shaak Ti or Obi-Wan Kenobi? From Mace Windu or, stars help you, Yoda?"
He flicked his blade quickly, ridding two of the guards of their staffs, then placing the glowing tip a millimeter from Grievous's death-helmeted visage.
"Finesse. Artfulness. Economy. Otherwise, my friend, I fear that you will end up beyond the repair of even the Geonosians. Do you take my meaning?"
Direct contradiction from the same source. I'm not arguing for the sake of it, just confused by Grievous' inconcistency.
It's not really a contradiction. It's just saying that Grievous is still a threat to most Jedi, but there are a few who he should completely avoid. Although that usually comes down to their TK.
In pure Sabers however I'd say the number of Jedi who could take him would only be a handful at best.
Originally posted by Galan007Shaak Ti herself appeared terrified of the good general.
This could be the the reason why she doesn't do too well against him. The first fight we know she was exhausted. After that fight she may have just been scared of him.
Like you said, Dooku told Grievous to have fear and surprise on his side when fighting the best Jedi. He certainly had fear on his side against Shaak Ti.
Originally posted by Galan007
Heck, at one point during that battle, a single Magnaguard was giving Shaak Ti hell-- and we know Grievous is >>> any Magnaguard.
IIRC they were running all over the place in that fight trying to protect the Chancellor.
The fact that she took on like what 20 Magnaguards later also proves that Shaak Ti >>> any single magnaguard.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER馃憜
This could be the the reason why she doesn't do too well against him. The first fight we know she was exhausted. After that fight she may have just been scared of him.Like you said, Dooku told Grievous to have fear and surprise on his side when fighting the best Jedi. He certainly had fear on his side against Shaak Ti.
And fear, as we know, is a path to the dark side.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERSurely a Jedi can run for a few minutes without vastly decreasing their reserves.
IIRC they were running all over the place in that fight trying to protect the Chancellor.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERClearly the single Magnaguard she faced initially was of a greater level than the cluster of Magnaguard she faced later on-- she beat the latter pretty decisively, but could only manage to stalemate the former.
The fact that she took on like what 20 Magnaguards later also proves that Shaak Ti >>> any single magnaguard.
Regardless, Grievous >>> any Magnaguard.