Iron Man vs. Loki

Started by Robtard16 pages

Originally posted by quanchi112
Loki can go intangible and shoot him in the air. Thor can fly too and yet Loki can take him out. Lol.

You really have nothing. Loki beats the crap out of Iron Man. His stock really dropped in part 3.

When did Loki "go intangible"?

IM has dodged tank rounds and other missiles, Loki's glow-stick blast shouldn't prove much of problem for him 🙂

Thor > Loki by a considerable margin. Not sure which films you watched 🙂

Says the guy who can't counter the super-laser equation and desperately tries to ignore it in each post 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
When did Loki "go intangible"?

IM has dodged tank rounds and other missiles, Loki's glow-stick blast shouldn't prove much of problem for him 🙂

Thor > Loki by a considerable margin. Not sure which films you watched 🙂

Says the guy who can't counter the super-laser equation and desperately tries to ignore it in each post 🙂

Illusions was an iPad typo.

He's also been hit by fists and been unable to avoid them. His suits get scrapped left and right by far less.

Loki can still hurt Iron Man and doesn't need a 400 % amp in order to do so.

Loki wins, easily.

Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough.

None of those examples showed the concentrated cutting power of IM's super-laser-bedazzler though in IM2.

Agreed, although we don't really get an idea how strong they were since they weren't used in similar context. Do we have examples of IM's repulsors burning or punching through metal?

In any case, had Loki suffered a scratch or scorch marks from any attack using intense heat then I would be willing to concede that the lasers might cut through him. But since he has shown pretty heat resistant then I'm doubting the effectiveness of laser on him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Illusions was an iPad typo.

He's also been hit by fists and been unable to avoid them. His suits get scrapped left and right by far less.

Loki can still hurt Iron Man and doesn't need a 400 % amp in order to do so.

Loki wins, easily.

Illusions are easily revealed with super-laser-dedazzler 🙂

We go with greatest showings here all around, what you're trying to do is go greatest for the guy you want to see win (Loki) and lowest for the guy you want to see lose (Iron Man) 🙂

BTW, that suit in IM3 was a prototype and "not battle ready", you're terrible at this 🙂

😂 "easily" 🙂

Originally posted by FrothByte
Agreed, although we don't really get an idea how strong they were since they weren't used in similar context. Do we have examples of IM's repulsors burning or punching through metal?

In any case, had Loki suffered a scratch or scorch marks from any attack using intense heat then I would be willing to concede that the lasers might cut through him. But since he has shown pretty heat resistant then I'm doubting the effectiveness of laser on him.

In that IM2 scene I psoted, he's blasting through the drones with his repulsor blast. IIRC, in Avengers he might have been using a concentrated beam of his repulsor to cut and seal the steel tubing when he separated Stark Tower from the grid. I'd have to watch the scene though.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Robtard
Illusions are easily revealed with super-laser-dedazzler 🙂

We go with greatest showings here all around, what you're trying to do is go greatest for the guy you want to see win (Loki) and lowest for the guy you want to see lose (Iron Man) 🙂

BTW, that suit in IM3 was a prototype and "not battle ready", you're terrible at this 🙂

😂 "easily" 🙂

We go by all showings. 😂

Only the biased pick and choose what counts and what doesn't.

Lokis showings are superior and he doesn't need a 400% increase to compete with Thor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We go by all showings. 😂

Only the biased pick and choose what counts and what doesn't.

Lokis showings are superior and he doesn't need a 400% increase to compete with Thor.

Which is why you're desparately trying to use only IM3 and the gimp suit for Tony here 🙂

Loki can't really compete with Thor unless Thor is holding back out of brotherly-butt-love. Which movies did you watch 🙂

If the argument is Tony's lasers in IM2 being different more powerful version than the ones he uses in Avengers then it's a poor argument for this fight.

Tony said himself "It was a one off" therefore could only be used once in his career.

Though we should allow the lasers in this fight for it was a feat.

We don't know how durable the drones in IM2 were. Bullets minced them! Thor and Loki have survived worse.

Arguing offense.
Loki threw daggers with perfect accuracy that were able to go through Asgardian durability. And his energized daggers broke Frost Giant's ice constructs which showed the ability to do the same. Including taking out Odin's eye and harming Fandral.

He also threw them into Frost Giants. I see no reason why they won't pierce Ironman's armor. He's just a man underneath.

Originally posted by Robtard
Which is why you're desparately trying to use only IM3 and the gimp suit for Tony here 🙂

Loki can't really compete with Thor unless Thor is holding back out of brotherly-butt-love. Which movies did you watch 🙂

I cited Avengers as well. You want to ignore an entire movie, Lokis feats, and the fact Ironman needed a 400 amp to even keep up with Thor.

Loki doesn't need an amp to stab him. Loki is far more formidable.

Originally posted by the ninjak
If the argument is Tony's lasers in IM2 being different more powerful version than the ones he uses in Avengers then it's a poor argument for this fight.

Tony said himself "It was a one off" therefore could only be used once in his career.

Though we should allow the lasers in this fight for it was a feat.

We don't know how durable the drones in IM2 were. Bullets minced them! Thor and Loki have survived worse.

Arguing offense.
Loki threw daggers with perfect accuracy that were able to go through Asgardian durability. And his energized daggers broke Frost Giant's ice constructs which showed the ability to do the same. Including taking out Odin's eye and harming Fandral.

He also threw them into Frost Giants. I see no reason why they won't pierce Ironman's armor. He's just a man underneath.

When Tony says one off he means that he can only use it once until he gets those power things replenished that popped out.

There is no reason to believe Tony didn't have those same lasers.

Of course Loki survived the BiFrost explosion and Thor's lightning so this idea Tony's lasers will do anything to Loki is laughable. They already failed against the Chitauri Leviathan so they don't go through everything like butter.

Originally posted by Newjak
When Tony says one off he means that he can only use it once until he gets those power things replenished that popped out.

There is no reason to believe Tony didn't have those same lasers.

Of course Loki survived the BiFrost explosion and Thor's lightning so this idea Tony's lasers will do anything to Loki is laughable. They already failed against the Chitauri Leviathan so they don't go through everything like butter.

True dat.

Ironman can't put Loki down. But Loki has actual feats that will put Ironman down for good. And very early in the fight at that.

If the bifrost explosion had lasers there wouldn't have been an Avengers movie.

Fact.

Originally posted by Mindset
If the bifrost explosion had lasers there wouldn't have been an Avengers movie.

Fact.

Loki wins. Fact.

Sure, if he were fighting Voldemort he'd stomp 10/10, but this is Iron Man, mi amigo.

Damn this thread really took off

Originally posted by quanchi112
I cited Avengers as well. You want to ignore an entire movie, Lokis feats, and the fact Ironman needed a 400 amp to even keep up with Thor.

Loki doesn't need an amp to stab him. Loki is far more formidable.

You ignore that IM3 for the most part had a non battle ready prototype suit that was regulated to comedic relief. That aside, it is the suit in Avengers here, so all your IM3 lowballs mean nothing; you have nothing 🙂 Read the OP, understand; then debate 🙂

Loki needs Thor to hold back and do one of his "you can be good, bro" speeches in order to do the stab thing, ie it was a cheap shot. Did you not pay attention in Avengers 🙂

Originally posted by FrothByte
Agreed, although we don't really get an idea how strong they were since they weren't used in similar context. Do we have examples of IM's repulsors burning or punching through metal?

In any case, had Loki suffered a scratch or scorch marks from any attack using intense heat then I would be willing to concede that the lasers might cut through him. But since he has shown pretty heat resistant then I'm doubting the effectiveness of laser on him.

Loki tanked Tony's repuslers twice in Avengers with out taking damage.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So what do we know so far:

1. Chitauri guns can knock down and damage IM
2. Loki carries a staff that's chitauri in origin
3. Loki's daggers can cut and hurt Thor. IM's repulsors don't damage Thor
4. Loki was able to go toe to toe with Thor. IM needed a 400% power up.
5. Loki can be hurt but not damaged by IM's repulsors

Great post!

Originally posted by Robtard
In that IM2 scene I psoted, he's blasting through the drones with his repulsor blast. IIRC, in Avengers he might have been using a concentrated beam of his repulsor to cut and seal the steel tubing when he separated Stark Tower from the grid. I'd have to watch the scene though.

Fair enough.

Well I guess that settles it then. IM's repulsors punch/burn through steel but they don't damage Loki. So we really don't know if his lasers can damage Loki. They might, but from what I've seen it's highly doubtful. Plus those androids were pretty weak, even Warmachine's artillery was slicing through them. I do think the lasers can harm Loki though. Maybe even leave a streak of singed, wounded skin (at best) or a red line of irritated skin (at worst).

Come to think of it, I think IM's best chance at damaging Loki is grabbing a sharp weapon or projectile and throwing it at Loki or try to stab/slash him with it. I mean, there's got to be a reason why the Agardians all use melee weapons despite there being proof that they have energy based weapons. The Asgardians pretty much tank energy blasts, ballistic artillery, and explosives but they seem susceptible to getting stabbed and slashed. Then again that's Asgardian steel and weaponry (or Frost Giant icicles) so it might not work with human made steel. Still worth a shot though incase his weapons fail to take Loki down.

One thing I can say in IM's favor though is that he's proven faster on the draw than Loki. His repulsor beams are basically just point and shoot. Both Thor's lightning and Loki's power staff need about a second to shoot (in Thor's case sometimes it's longer).

Originally posted by Robtard
You ignore that IM3 for the most part had a non battle ready prototype suit that was regulated to comedic relief. That aside, it is the suit in Avengers here, so all your IM3 lowballs mean nothing; you have nothing 🙂 Read the OP, understand; then debate 🙂

Loki needs Thor to hold back and do one of his "you can be good, bro" speeches in order to do the stab thing, ie it was a cheap shot. Did you not pay attention in Avengers 🙂

The suit in Avengers needed a 4 x time amp to be a threat to Thor.

Ironman isn't a threat to Thor period since even an amp shows how small time he is. Loki wins. Destroys the suit easier than the Mandarin did in part 3. 😂