Mace and Dooku vs. Yoda and Obi (Sabers only)

who wins this fight to the death?

Even though he's the master of Soreus I think Obi gets outclassed by everyone else here.

Team one wins with moderate difficulty.

Team 1 7/10. Kenobi would go down before one from Team 1 would.

I disagree with Obi being taken out early. It's the master of soresu we're talking about here. He would be able to hold out for quite awhile I recton against Dooku... against sids prob not as long.. but he also wouldn't get struck down early either.

Based on respective fights against almost identical fighers in terms of skill [Yoda and Sidious], Mace and Dooku should be able to stand a good 50 seconds. Kenobi has consistently struggled with Grievous, Ventress, and, excluding his extremely circumstancial victory over the brothers, his record against Maul is also negative. My guess would be for him to last 25 seconds or so.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He would be able to hold out for quite awhile I recton against Dooku... against sids prob not as long..

Sids isn't in this.

Edit- Just noticed it's your thread so you obviously know that!

I was merely pointing out that I don't think Obi would be overwhelmed by somebody faster than even Dooku. Sure he would eventtually... but my point is... it's his thing to hold out a long time and that is what I see him being able to do.

I'd say Team 2 has a shot... I mean, if Obi-Wan can hold off Mace long enough for Yoda to deal with Mace, then they could win. Then again, he probably can't as Yoda/Mace are probably closer than Dooku/Obi in sabers.

Team 1, but it's close.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I was merely pointing out that I don't think Obi would be overwhelmed by somebody faster than even Dooku.

Sidious would blitz Kenobi.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
wut

Sidious would blitz Kenobi.

Kenobi is in the same speed class as Maul. If anything, Maul is faster.

Sidious moves so fast Maul can't see him:

The lightsaber whirls in the air, twirling, held in my Master's hand. I can't track it, it moves so fast. But I know it's heading for me.

Lord Sidious moves faster than my eye can follow. I smell heat and smoke. The laser traces the outline of my body, my face, my hands. The buzz is loud in my ear. One flinch, one involuntary twitch of a muscle, and I am dead.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Kenobi is in the same speed class as Maul. If anything, Maul is faster.

Sidious moves so fast Maul can't see him:

The lightsaber whirls in the air, twirling, held in my Master's hand. I can't track it, it moves so fast. But I know it's heading for me.

Lord Sidious moves faster than my eye can follow. I smell heat and smoke. The laser traces the outline of my body, my face, my hands. The buzz is loud in my ear. One flinch, one involuntary twitch of a muscle, and I am dead.

Originally posted by Arhael
So you gonna rely on a quote, where Maul is still a learning apprentice

Originally posted by Arhael
and ignore all the performances displayed in TCW?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
As was Sidious.

Prove CW Maul is faster than TPM Maul.

For future reference, this also proves that Sidious' speed was drastically reduced in his fight with the brothers. 👆

Originally posted by Intrepid37
For future reference, this also proves that Sidious' speed was drastically reduced in his fight with the brothers. 👆

Originally posted by Arhael
Prove that Sidious wasn't as good as he is in TCW. 😛

Originally posted by Arhael
I don't need to. It's enough for me to know that he is fast enough to fight Sidious alone and at the same time is not fast enough to defeat Kenobi, when aided by brother.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
How about you prove that Maul wasn't as good as in TCW?

If you think that featless and not-fully trained Maul at the time was as good and fast as he was later, well, you are free to believe so.

The fact that Sidious is so fast that for Maul to ''flinch'' is enough for him to die proves Sidious was toying with him.

For future reference, Sidious fought with the same speed he fought Mace, it's easy to see, when comparing both fights.

Originally posted by Arhael
My prove is all the feats that he demonstrated after that event.

If you think that featless and not-fully trained Maul at the time was as good and fast as he was later, well, you are free to believe so.

Originally posted by Arhael
That's not proof, that's your opinion.

If Sidious is so fast that neither Maul nor Opress can see him, then why were they able to trade blows?

There are two conclusions:

a) Sidious was toying with them (logical conclusion)
b) CW Maul and Opress are both faster than TPM Maul. (lacks proof)

Originally posted by Arhael
For future reference, Sidious fought with the same speed he fought Mace, it's easy to see, when comparing both fights.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
There is zero proof. Growing in power doesn't translate to growing in speed. It is noted in the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia that Sidious surpassed Plagueis after he killed him, and Sidious' speed demonstration was before he killed Plagueis.

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If Sidious is so fast that neither Maul nor Opress can see him, then why were they able to trade blows?

There are two conclusions:

a) Sidious was toying with them (logical conclusion)
b) CW Maul and Opress are both faster than TPM Maul. (lacks proof)

He didn't?