That should probably be taken with a grain of salt. The TPM novelization and Darth Plagueis both indicate Sidious was surprised by Maul's defeat on Naboo; the line from the Essential Guide is very likely Sidious lying his ass off to soothe his wounded pride.
As far as Maul's overall purpose, he clearly began as an expendable asset to Sidious and had no ambition to usurp the mantle. Now it seems he has been reimagined as a potential successor from the beginning, trained in broader disciplines than simple assassination.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
the line from the Essential Guide is very likely Sidious lying his ass off to soothe his wounded pride.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Now it seems he has been reimagined as a potential successor from the beginning, trained in broader disciplines than simple assassination.
I was noting that Darth Plagueis retconned the sourcebook, actually.
But in the actual book, the only thing I can find on the subject is when Sidious ''learns'' about Maul's death... this doesn't actually mean he didn't predict it, but rather found out that now it had happened.
Not sure about what you're talking about in reference to the TPM novelization, and the comments from the staff should certainly not be higher canon than four sourcebooks.
Originally posted by Intrepid37Not sure about what you're talking about in reference to the TPM novelization, and the comments from the staff should certainly not be higher canon than four sourcebooks.
TPM novel has Sidious thinking to himself, a little upset/disappointed by Maul's death. IIRC Sidious's entry in Maul's journal implies the same thing. It's only then he starts to think that maybe he made a mistake with Maul, and all other entries made by Sidious later were likely influenced by his pride like Tempest has pointed out.
Also I've noticed most the "evidences" your quoting are not really that relevant. Sidious seeing him as a tool and Maul not having ambition to overthrow Sidious does not mean Maul was not supposed to be his heir.
Fact is Sidious didn't put all that time and effort into training Maul in the ways of the Force, and as a Galaxy level manipulator just to have a handy assassin around. He can hire all the bounty hunters he wants for that.
Heck Maul was even informed on Sidious's grand plans regarding the clone wars well in advance. That kind of information is a bit beyond the pay grade of a mere assassin.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
My personal little theory here with the M.Brother vs Sidious fight wasn't exactly Sidious "holding back" as it was him kinda "messing around".He wasn't purposely holding back his power to make the battle more even or whatever, but he wasn't exactly pushed to the limits either. He was enjoying himself, and cutting loose for the first time in years. >w>
But it's simply silly to say that had Sidious wanted, he could have killed them in an instant with lightning-fast ninja moves here. Seriously.
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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
TPM novel has Sidious thinking to himself, a little upset/disappointed by Maul's death. IIRC Sidious's entry in Maul's journal implies the same thing.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's only then he starts to think that maybe he made a mistake with Maul, and all other entries made by Sidious later were likely influenced by his pride like Tempest has pointed out.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Also I've noticed most the "evidences" your quoting are not really that relevant. Sidious seeing him as a tool and Maul not having ambition to overthrow Sidious does not mean Maul was not supposed to be his heir.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Fact is Sidious didn't put all that time and effort into training Maul in the ways of the Force, and as a Galaxy level manipulator just to have a handy assassin around. He can hire all the bounty hunters he wants for that.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Heck Maul was even informed on Sidious's grand plans regarding the clone wars well in advance. That kind of information is a bit beyond the pay grade of a mere assassin.
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Originally posted by Intrepid37
This contradicts absolutely no source I've given.
It contradicts the idea that he foresaw his death and wanted it to happen. Isn't that what you were saying earlier?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Where's that quote from? Who was Sidious intending to replace Maul with? He didn't even know of Skywalker then.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
[b]Fact or your opinion?[/B]
Ok you have me there. That's my common sense telling me he wouldn't spend that kind of time and effort to have a mere assassin that he planned to kill or let die later.
If he found someone better? Then yeah sure. If not Maul was chosen to be heir according to the creators of T-Canon show who were acting only according to what Lucas wanted.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It contradicts the idea that he foresaw his death and wanted it to happen. Isn't that what you were saying earlier?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Where's that quote from? Who was Sidious intending to replace Maul with? He didn't even know of Skywalker then.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Ok you have me there. That's my common sense telling me he wouldn't spend that kind of time and effort to have a mere assassin that he planned to kill or let die later.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
If he found someone better? Then yeah sure. If not Maul was chosen to be heir according to the creators of T-Canon show who were acting only according to what Lucas wanted.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It doesn't contradict it...Episode III: Visual Dictionary
Not really. Maul was trained for one thing: to show a face of the Sith, nothing more.
The creators also thought that Sidious saw Dooku as an replacement ie ''it doesn't work out with Dooku''. They're clearly retarded.
Well you can call them retarded. But they were just following what Lucas wanted and were in charge of a higher canon than the sources your quoting.
Maul wouldn't have been trained to manipulate and take over the Galaxy, or informed of Sidiou's grand Clone War plans, if his job was just to "show a face of the Sith, nothing more."
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well you can call them retarded. But they were just following what Lucas wanted and were in charge of a higher canon than the sources your quoting.
I think you might being giving Lucas more credit than he has coming on what he wanted for an EU Maul. I don't think he really thought about any of that.
Originally posted by truejedi
I think you might being giving Lucas more credit than he has coming on what he wanted for an EU Maul. I don't think he really thought about any of that.
Hey tj. Your a blast from the past.
I quoted Sam Witwer before saying everyone working on TCW were doing only what Lucas wanted.
Also it was his idea to bring Maul back, and he gave the reason that Maul is one of his favorite characters. So I'm pretty sure he did think it through.
