Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm going to agree with Q99 on the era-bias. Intrepid seems to have a big ol' boner for CW era combatants. I was acknowledging some merit to his arguments up until he started just disregarding feats and going 'Dooku wins suck it.'
But you don't feel the same way about stevenholt? At least Intrepid is not claiming that Dooku would stomp Krayt. He also hasn't disregarded any of Krayt's feats, he's merely saying that he doesn't find any of his feats that were mentioned in this thread to be as impressive as Dooku's. Stevenholt, however, is suggesting that Krayt can stomp Dooku via lightning and TK, although none of the feats he listed regarding lightning and TK are far beyond Dooku's. If anything, Dooku seems to have an edge in TK, IMO, while Krayt's lightning may be a bit better. But overall, they both seem to be on par with eachother combat-wise.
So why are you only pointing fingers at Intrepid? Stevenholt seems to be the only one disregarding feats.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
But you don't feel the same way about stevenholt? At least Intrepid is not claiming that Dooku would stomp Krayt. He also hasn't disregarded any of Krayt's feats, he's merely saying that he doesn't find any of his feats that were mentioned in this thread to be as impressive as Dooku's. Stevenholt, however, is suggesting that Krayt can stomp Dooku via lightning and TK, although none of the feats he listed regarding lightning and TK are far beyond Dooku's. If anything, Dooku seems to have an edge in TK, IMO, while Krayt's lightning may be a bit better. But overall, they both seem to be on par with eachother combat-wise.So why are you only pointing fingers at Intrepid? Stevenholt seems to be the only one disregarding feats.
Amusing. Because my disregard of feats was a response to Intrepid's disregard of feats, which mimicked your own. As someone who is PT era biased, you shouldn't be telling DE to look at my posts, especially since you and Intrepid voice the same arguments and disregard most of non PT stuff. Notice that I said Krayt would stomp in the force, but saber battles it's pretty even. But...Selective reading>
Originally posted by steveholt956
Notice that I said Krayt would stomp in the force
Which is something you have yet to prove. Krayt doesn't have better TK feats, and his lightning isn't much greater either, so how the hell is he going to stomp Dooku in the force? The fact that you are even claiming that Krayt would stomp Dooku in the force makes it quite clear that you are disregarding Dooku's force feats. Yeah, I may be biased, but you're the one who lets your bias affect your arguments. So stop calling others out for being bias, and pretending that you're not.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Which is something you have yet to prove. Krayt doesn't have better TK feats, and his lightning isn't much greater either, so how the hell is he going to stomp Dooku in the force? The fact that you are even claiming that Krayt would stomp Dooku in the force makes it quite clear that you are disregarding Dooku's force feats. Yeah, I may be biased, but you're the one who lets your bias affect your arguments. So stop calling others out for being bias, and pretending that you're not.
So you're claiming I'm biased but your arguments aren't affected? That's exactly what a biased person would say. "Yea I like this guy more but I'm totally objective in this argument". And Krayt's feats ARE better than Dooku's, you just don't think so which isn't my problem.
Finally, I didn't say I was objective in this case either. I certainly don't care much for the PT era. But at least I don't operate under the guise of objectivity in this thread. That would be you.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Which is something you have yet to prove. Krayt doesn't have better TK feats, and his lightning isn't much greater either, so how the hell is he going to stomp Dooku in the force?
He's defended against stronger TK than Dooku's, and can absorb lightning. Neither will work against him.
As for offense, I will note his Force Drain was highly effective against Abeloth, with is nothing to laugh at.
And he has additional force powers that Dooku does not, and he has shown more raw power in the force overall.
He also hasn't disregarded any of Krayt's feats, he's merely saying that he doesn't find any of his feats that were mentioned in this thread to be as impressive as Dooku's.
But, Krayt has gone up against people with very high feats and outmatched them, Cade has larger TK feats than Dooku. And his own raw might in the force is greater.
NephthysI'm going to agree with Q99 on the era-bias. Intrepid seems to have a big ol' boner for CW era combatants. I was acknowledging some merit to his arguments up until he started just disregarding feats and going 'Dooku wins suck it.'
Extra-ironic in that A'Sharad was himself a high-level CW era combatant before getting masses of experience, sith training, and significant power-ups.
Intrepid37I have already said that my knowledge about the Legacy era is limited, and unless I have missed something, no one has provided feats for Andeddu, and I am not sure what own specialty is supposed to mean?
I believe this is what people mean by saying you disregard feats. If you are not personally familiar with a feat, you tend to discount it and assume it's smaller without any proof that it was. The evidence doesn't point to it being weaker, you just assume that's the case.
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Andeddu was not from the legacy era, but from the Old Sith Empire. He was a great sorcerer of legend who was one of the first to figure out immortality. His power was so great that the other ancient Sith lords feared him and ganged up on him to defeat him, afraid to take him on one on one.
Dooku himself once found Andeddu's holocron and spoke highly of his knowledge and skill in sorcery. It was his holocron he used to instruct Quinlan Vos (who you do know).
Andeddu was not truly dead, though, and had placed his spirit in his holocron. During the Legacy era, he gained a new, healthy body. In this body, and armed with his staff with a force-crystal in it, he tried to use his illusion sorcery, which could make even illusionary wounds real, to kill Wyyrlok, only Wyyrlok was better still with it and killed him in return.
Darth Krayt's second in command killed a Sith of old that Dooku considered a great sith lord, in a strait-up contest where Andeddu was using his strongest area.