Bills vs. DBGT... · Anime 'Versus' Forum

Yamcha Desert Bandit

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Here you go.
Continues on the next page. But honestly you're not going to read it lol.

I mean..I knew BT supported Kain like crazy but that was ridiculous, he should have been banned for even replying lmao. After facing a mountain of text that would make me want to pull my intestines out and hang myself with them, he still stood by Kain..like wut.

AuraAngel Hegemon

Originally posted by Yamcha
I mean..I knew BT supported Kain like crazy but that was ridiculous, he should have been banned for even replying lmao. After facing a mountain of text that would make me want to pull my intestines out and hang myself with them, he still stood by Kain..like wut.

So BT deserves a ban for responding in turn? Rude.

Yamcha Desert Bandit

Originally posted by AuraAngel
So BT deserves a ban for responding in turn? Rude.

I mean...I guess O.O?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Here you go.
Continues on the next page. But honestly you're not going to read it lol.

Frankly, that is ridiculous... Bordering on sad.

ShadeSlayer15 Omni Hermit Master

what the **** does the have to do with billz and dbgt?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

That side of the discussion was evidently agreed upon several pages ago: Bills gets to SSJ4 Goku.

carver9 Senior Member

Bills clear this.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

That's hard to imagine, carver.

And keep in mind: base Frieza's PL=530,000. Nail's PL=42,000. This means Frieza was only 12.6x more powerful than Nail, and he was able to dominate that battle with [arguably] as much ease as Bills owned SSJ3 Goku. This is important because SSJ4 Goku alone was, in all likelihood, several thousand times more powerful than SSJ3 Goku was at the end of Z(this was broken down on the first few pages.)

To summarize:
Per canon, a being who is a 12.6x more powerful than their opponent, can tank ANY attack said opponent can muster without so much twitching their eye, and they can nearly kill this opponent with 2 restrained blows.

Even if you want to argue that Bills owned SSJ3 Goku with 10x the ease in which Frieza owned Nail(something I'd disagree with), it still implies that Bills would only have been about 130x more powerful than SSJ3 Goku. And again: SSJ4 Goku was several thousand times more powerful than SSJ3 Goku was in Z.

That said, you'd have to take an extreme leap to put Bills over SSJ4 Goku-- much less Omega Shenron(who was many, many orders of magnitude more powerful than SSJ4 Goku), or SSJ4 Gogeta(who was many, many orders of magnitude more powerful than Omega Shenron.)

ShadeSlayer15 Omni Hermit Master

Agreed I would put bills on pare with omega but ssj gogeta not happening

ShadeSlayer15 Omni Hermit Master

was ssj 2 vegeta stronger than ssj 3 goku? because of intense training

carver9 Senior Member

@Galan...

The comparison between the Frieza and Nail fight vs the Goku and Bill fight isn't comparable at all. Even though Frieza held back against Nail, he still threw punches...Bill took SS3 Goku out with a "touch". He thumped SSJ Vegeta and koed him...then it was stated that Bill took out an entire Galaxy instantly. This doesn't include him flying from one end of the DBZ verse to the other in 26 min. Don't see SS4 Goku beating him.

ShadeSlayer15 Omni Hermit Master

@Carver do you think the hulk would beat superman?

juggerman Senior Member

Originally posted by ShadeSlayer15
@Carver do you think the hulk would beat superman?

Of course he does. But so do many others

Zack Fair Fanboy

One look at the sig all one needs....no wait...yeah...hulk likes the Super D.

BloodRain Knight of Retribution

With statements Bills clears.

With feats he stops at SS3 Goku.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Sorry in advance for the breathy response... I'm bored at work. 🥷

Originally posted by carver9
The comparison between the Frieza and Nail fight vs the Goku and Bill fight isn't comparable at all. Even though Frieza held back against Nail, he still threw punches...Bill took SS3 Goku out with a "touch". He thumped SSJ Vegeta and koed him...

Yes, I know. That still doesn't mean Bills was thousands of times more powerful than SSJ3 Goku. Why? Because we saw how effortlessly Frieza was able to own Nail while holding back-- and there is only a 12x power differential between them.

That said, Bills may have been a few hundred times more powerful than SSJ3 Goku(being generous here), but again: a few hundred times more powerful still isn't even remotely comparable to SSJ4 Goku, who was logically thousands of times more powerful than SSJ3 Z Goku.

Again: it was stated that base Rildo>Majin Buu, yet base GT Goku was able to match him-- this makes sense considering base Goku owned Cell and Frieza in GT like they were weak feebs. Rildo then stated that Goku's power "increased a hundred fold" when he transformed into a SSJ(which is double what the SSJ multiplier was in Z.)
ie. SSJ Goku(GT)100x>base Goku(GT)~base Rildo>Majin Buu~SSJ3 Goku(Z).
ie. ie. base Goku(GT)~/>SSJ3 Goku(Z)

Now, even if the SSJ2/SSJ3 multipliers were the same in GT as they were in Z(in all likelihood, they were probably much greater), it still means SSJ2 GT Goku would have been 200x> SSJ3 Z Goku, and SSJ3 GT Goku would have been 800x> SSJ3 Z Goku. If we then use the commonly accepted 10x multiplier from a SSJ3 to a SSJ4(which honestly makes sense, as a SSJ4 was powerful enough to override a wish from the phucking Black Star Dragon), it puts SSJ4 Goku at 8,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku.

Then consider that Omega Shenron was able to effortlessly tool SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta simultaneously(both of whom were, again, thousands of times more powerful than SSJ3 Z Goku.) And finally, you have SSJ4 Gogeta who utterly demolished Omega Shenron in one of the most one-sided battles I've ever seen.

Suffice to say: the GT multipliers were asinine. Much, much larger than most realize. I really don't think Bills can bridge such a massive gap.

Originally posted by carver9
then it was stated that Bill took out an entire Galaxy instantly.

Yup. Makes you wonder what an all-out SSJ4 Goku, Omega Shenron, or SSJ4 Gogeta would be capable of, eh? 😛

Originally posted by carver9
This doesn't include him flying from one end of the DBZ verse to the other in 26 min.

From what we saw, Whis did the flying. Not Bills.

AuraAngel Hegemon

Originally posted by BloodRain
With statements Bills clears.
With feats he stops at SS3 Goku.

Flying through moons/destroying them like nothing~

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

I dunno...

Here's a view of the moons/planetoids Bills Destroyed:

A closer look:

An even closer look:

Imo, they look extremely small-- around the size of King Kai's planet, perhaps..? Even SSJ3 Goku was able to punch a ginormous hole straight through King Kai's planet without gaining any sort of flight-speed, like Bills had. Had those moons/planetoids been full-size planets, then Bills' feat would be gargantuan... But as it stands, I'm not sure I'd rank that feat as high as some. His other feats(ie. tooling every single Z fighter effortlessly while holding back) are much more impressive.

AuraAngel Hegemon

You guys are really underestimating the size of King Kai's world. It is basically just an asteroid. Were it not round you could see pretty much everything there. It has less overall land mass than a small town(or even some yards lol).

Compare that to Bills moons which seem to have some sort of atmosphere that keeps you from seeing the surface area. Add onto the fact that the Supreme Kais, who are insignificant in rank next to Bills, have quite the normal size moons and I can't see why Bills would have such tiny places. Granted he doesn't need but neither did the Supreme Kais lol.

Not saying you're wrong just trying to discuss a feat. 👆

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

I don't know, man... The planetoids Bills destroyed look much, much smaller than normal size planets/moons to me. /shrug