Originally posted by abhilegendI wish I could spell this out in crayon for you so that any round headed chimp-like creature can understand what I am trying to say. Doomsday is not Superman. In a thread that depends on feats from both Doomsday and Hulk you can't just cherry pick scans of Superman and basically say "Doomsday can do that". Going off of WRITERS INTENT it has been made abundantly clear over the years that Doomsday has been intended be able to evolve and adapt to attacks that don't kill him after the first few tries. Making him a threat to almost any living being. Sure he has beaten up and killed some impressive individuals, but as far as combat strength feats(punching power and or collateral damage) go that is pretty flimsy. Hulk has been shown to get consistently stronger and more durable the angrier he gets, regardless of the strength of the opponent. His footstep have literally caused earthquakes and his fists/hands have destroyed the indestructible, have shaken realities, have broken through time, have destroyed armies with their shock waves, and have destroyed dimensional barriers. Doomsday is only a direct physical threat to the people living on the planet. Meaning that "if he sees you he will try to kill you". Hulk has powered upto levels that not only kill his opponents, but also endanger the both the planets entire population AND it's overall structural integrity. Hulk has been proven to be extremely durable and hard to kill as well. Doomsday has been physically beaten to death, Hulk has not, but he has been close. Hulk has been eaten alive, survived it, and recovered. Doomsday has received that type of damage (Doomsday year 1) and when he did he DIED from it and THEN recovered and evolved. Based on the Doomsday's own punching and strength feats there is no reason to believe that he would be capable of one shot killing the Hulk. Sure, Hulk would take damage from Doomsday's punches, but they wouldn't kill him, just piss him off until he powers up to a level well beyond what Doomsday has at the time. Hulk on the other hand doesn't have to on shot kill Doomsday he just needs to power-up enough to either A.) break the planet just by walking thus winning by BFR when Doomsday is hurtled away in the explosion or B.) rip him in half like a phone book.
Writer's intent bro. Writer's intent was that Superman can withstand adamantium cutting lasers. And anything Superman can do in durability, Doomsday can definitely do it since he is far more durable than Superman.Haha, what? HP doomsday was a specific version of character who appeared in only 7 issues and was killed after that and replaced by other version of character.
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk matched a full powered Onslaught...my bad, he overpowered a fully developed Onslaught; punched his physical shell to dust. They were punching each other so hard that the shockwaves from their punches was pushing the hero's back.
Except Hulk was technically "amped" when this happened...
Originally posted by Brockalizer
I wish I could spell this out in crayon for you so that any round headed chimp-like creature can understand what I am trying to say. Doomsday is not Superman. In a thread that depends on feats from both Doomsday and Hulk you can't just cherry pick scans of Superman and basically say "Doomsday can do that". Going off of WRITERS INTENT it has been made abundantly clear over the years that Doomsday has been intended be able to evolve and adapt to attacks that don't kill him after the first few tries. Making him a threat to almost any living being. Sure he has beaten up and killed some impressive individuals, but as far as combat strength feats(punching power and or collateral damage) go that is pretty flimsy. Hulk has been shown to get consistently stronger and more durable the angrier he gets, regardless of the strength of the opponent. His footstep have literally caused earthquakes and his fists/hands have destroyed the indestructible, have shaken realities, have broken through time, have destroyed armies with their shock waves, and have destroyed dimensional barriers. Doomsday is only a direct physical threat to the people living on the planet. Meaning that "if he sees you he will try to kill you". Hulk has powered upto levels that not only kill his opponents, but also endanger the both the planets entire population AND it's overall structural integrity. Hulk has been proven to be extremely durable and hard to kill as well. Doomsday has been physically beaten to death, Hulk has not, but he has been close. Hulk has been eaten alive, survived it, and recovered. Doomsday has received that type of damage (Doomsday year 1) and when he did he DIED from it and THEN recovered and evolved. Based on the Doomsday's own punching and strength feats there is no reason to believe that he would be capable of one shot killing the Hulk. Sure, Hulk would take damage from Doomsday's punches, but they wouldn't kill him, just piss him off until he powers up to a level well beyond what Doomsday has at the time. Hulk on the other hand doesn't have to on shot kill Doomsday he just needs to power-up enough to either A.) break the planet just by walking thus winning by BFR when Doomsday is hurtled away in the explosion or B.) rip him in half like a phone book.
People dont realize this. The longer the fight goes on, the more of a chance you have at losing. Hulk is a dangerous opponent to fight and the only way Doomsday is winning this is by one shotting the Hulk and looking at Hulk recent portrayals, it aint happening.
Originally posted by leonidasI already posted the writers intent on Doomsday with regards to HP. Your own opinion on the matter goes against the guy who penned HP. 👇
no i don't think that is what the thread is getting at at all. i THINK it's more along the lines of where each could be taken ultimately. there is no reason to speculate that the hp version of dd was the finished version, that he simply couldn't have continued to evolve well beyond what we saw. i think it's simple--when the characters were written, who was intended to be the more powerful. could wbh beat dd? maybe. but that isn't the question being addressed in this thread. the question is, if both were taken as far as you believe they could go, who would ultimately be the more powerful, not who had the single greatest portrayal of power on paper. do you really think the creators of hunter/prey intended for it to be possible for one single hero to defeat him, even the company's most powerful? do you think the writers of the hotm arc really intended to display hulk as the single most powerful hero, maybe ever, in marvel? based on your answers to those questions, you'll have your answer to this thread.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
I wish I could spell this out in crayon for you so that any round headed chimp-like creature can understand what I am trying to say. Doomsday is not Superman. In a thread that depends on feats from both Doomsday and Hulk you can't just cherry pick scans of Superman and basically say "Doomsday can do that". Going off of WRITERS INTENT it has been made abundantly clear over the years that Doomsday has been intended be able to evolve and adapt to attacks that don't kill him after the first few tries. Making him a threat to almost any living being. Sure he has beaten up and killed some impressive individuals, but as far as combat strength feats(punching power and or collateral damage) go that is pretty flimsy. Hulk has been shown to get consistently stronger and more durable the angrier he gets, regardless of the strength of the opponent. His footstep have literally caused earthquakes and his fists/hands have destroyed the indestructible, have shaken realities, have broken through time, have destroyed armies with their shock waves, and have destroyed dimensional barriers. Doomsday is only a direct physical threat to the people living on the planet. Meaning that "if he sees you he will try to kill you". Hulk has powered upto levels that not only kill his opponents, but also endanger the both the planets entire population AND it's overall structural integrity. Hulk has been proven to be extremely durable and hard to kill as well. Doomsday has been physically beaten to death, Hulk has not, but he has been close. Hulk has been eaten alive, survived it, and recovered. Doomsday has received that type of damage (Doomsday year 1) and when he did he DIED from it and THEN recovered and evolved. Based on the Doomsday's own punching and strength feats there is no reason to believe that he would be capable of one shot killing the Hulk. Sure, Hulk would take damage from Doomsday's punches, but they wouldn't kill him, just piss him off until he powers up to a level well beyond what Doomsday has at the time. Hulk on the other hand doesn't have to on shot kill Doomsday he just needs to power-up enough to either A.) break the planet just by walking thus winning by BFR when Doomsday is hurtled away in the explosion or B.) rip him in half like a phone book.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I had to be sneaky and clicked on Odekahns post. As for your comment, I don't think you read my post. Reread it buddy.
Respectfully carver, I still feel I read it correctly the first time. You were asking Rao for proof of Superman's durability being tied to his mindset, and then When Pr said it's always been that way, you said "I know". So... Do you?
Originally posted by abhilegendAre you ever gonna actually post a scan or cite an instance where Doomsday, not Superman, was actually powerful enough to even come close to causing the same power output or collateral damage that a high end Hulk can or are you just gonna keep trolling? If these things you say are true you should have no problem proving it. I have cited specific examples of actual feats, you have just posted Superman scans and tried to pass the off as default Doomsday feats. When Doomsday and Superman slug it out, windows break. When a high end Hulk slugs it out with another powerful opponent entire planets have been threatened. Apparently you think that glass in the DC universe is more durable than adamantium in the Marvelverse.
And you're being your usual marvel cock stroking self where Namor can beat doomsday. Doomsday isn't superman, he is far stronger and far more durable. Can hulk grow stronger and more durable? Yes. Is he typically even as strong as Superman? No. Doomsday beats the shit out of him before he grows strong enough to beat him. There is a reason Thor and Thing hang with hulk in slugfests like a dozen times, Hulk doesn't grow strong enough to beat them fully. Now Thor and Thing would beat Doomsday in a slugfests too?