Writer's Intent: Hulk vs Doomsday

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Are you ever gonna actually post a scan or cite an instance where Doomsday, not Superman, was actually powerful enough to even come close to causing the same power output or collateral damage that a high end Hulk can or are you just gonna keep trolling? If these things you say are true you should have no problem proving it. I have cited specific examples of actual feats, you have just posted Superman scans and tried to pass the off as default Doomsday feats. When Doomsday and Superman slug it out, windows break. When a high end Hulk slugs it out with another powerful opponent entire planets have been threatened. Apparently you think that glass in the DC universe is more durable than adamantium in the Marvelverse.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/newgod.jpg

Remember what happened when Doomsday arrived at Apokolips? He pushed the whole planet's shit in. What has Hulk done to show he can do to a planet of such beings where a random new god can create universes? That's why feats matter when they are done against characters. punching time and whatnot means little.

Except that's DOS doomsday and HOTM hulk. Two specified versions of hulk and doomsday. When Superman and Kal-L punched each other, they destroyed the boundaries of space time itself.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/adventuresof649a.jpg

Those are random collateral damage feats. Mean little as well.

Are you going to pretend that everyone in DC is weak compared to marvel like always?

Guys, this. Isn't. About. Power. Levels.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, this. Isn't. About. Power. Levels.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, this. Isn't. About. Power. Levels.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ultimately, Hulk.

Yup^

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, this. Isn't. About. Power. Levels.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like beating Orion and J'onn in one minute? Doomsday doesn't have any lifting feat but neither does beings like Kurse and Thanos. But you would give them win against hulk because they are from marvel, right? Who the **** is trolling here except you? Feats like busting planets rarely contribute in a fight. A random new god can create "twisted new universes."

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/newgod.jpg

Remember what happened when Doomsday arrived at Apokolips? He pushed the whole planet's shit in. What has Hulk done to show he can do to a planet of such beings where a random new god can create universes? That's why feats matter when they are done against characters. punching time and whatnot means little.

Except that's DOS doomsday and HOTM hulk. Two specified versions of hulk and doomsday. When Superman and Kal-L punched each other, they destroyed the boundaries of space time itself.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/adventuresof649a.jpg

Those are random collateral damage feats. Mean little as well.

Are you going to pretend that everyone in DC is weak compared to marvel like always?

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Nice try, but those collateral damage feats that you casually dismiss illustrate strength and power, and helps to cement the writer's intent that Hulk is the strongest there is. When Doomsday fights a super powered being he rarely kills them, rather he hits them a couple times and then moves on to another target. He is a total ADHD fighter. The only reason Superman died was because he lacked the ability to get stronger the longer the fight drags on like the Hulk does. More than likely Doomsday would hit Hulk a few times and rather than sticking around to finish Hulk off, he would move on to his next victim. Hulk would get angrier, stronger and then re-engage. The writers intent for Doomsday is abundantly clear. He can evolve and adapt, but he isn't invincible. If he is killed one way it will take something more powerful to kill him again. Hulk has destroyed more indestructible objects than Doomsday has, Hulk has survived more catastrophic damage than Doomsday has. Hulk has tanked planet busting attacks, something Doomsday has never even encountered.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Hulk has tanked planet busting attacks, something Doomsday has never even encountered.

Just wanted to say, Doomsday survived being hit by an attack so powerful, it tore a hole in space:

Knocked him out, sure.....but you can bet he will survive the next attack of that type.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just wanted to say, Doomsday survived being hit by an attack so powerful, it tore a hole in space:

Knocked him out, sure.....but you can bet he will survive the next attack of that type.

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don't see many 'planetary levels of destruction' rip holes in space/time...... and that occurred well before his evolution into the hp version which was even more powerful. some of his 'early feats' were pretty ludicrous as outlined in that series.

Honest/Non-Funny Reply :

A). Writers intent is that Hulk has no upper limit to strength. He can, in theory (which is what we are debating here)- Amp forever. Even as World Breaker, he's only scratching the surface of limitless potential.

B). Writers intent for Doomsday is that you cannot kill him the same way twice. If you beat him to death with a Billion Ton punch... you'll need to land a 2 Billion Ton punch on the next go around.

This is a simplification; but it's also a good capsulation of the bottom line:

* Hulk amps stronger and stronger, without end (per Writer intent).
* Doomsday evolves tougher and tougher, without end (per Writer intent).

This equates to an eternal Draw. They are alternate powered analogies.

I suppose that one could argue that Hulk's Power-Set Concept means that he will constantly be "killing" Doomsday along the way (thus landing immeasurable "temporary wins" while DD evolves from "death by that particular attained level of force"😉.

But honestly- that's just spinning it to make my preferred character win the match. When in truth- the "concept" battle would not stop until one of these two hit a limit. And these two have none.
Hulk grows more and more powerful, with no maximum strength cap.
Doomsday evolves more and more powerful, with no maximum number of deaths.

So neither can ever truly win a "Max Potential" battle against the other.
They'd just keep amping forever.

...Until something stepped in and stopped them.

unless dd evolves an offensive ability that hulk couldn't counter, or that weakens him somehow. hulk evolves strength/durability. dd evolves in multiple ways both offensively and defensively.

Originally posted by leonidas
unless dd evolves an offensive ability that hulk couldn't counter, or that weakens him somehow. hulk evolves strength/durability. dd evolves in multiple ways both offensively and defensively.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Nice try, but those collateral damage feats that you casually dismiss illustrate strength and power, and helps to cement the writer's intent that Hulk is the strongest there is. When Doomsday fights a super powered being he rarely kills them, rather he hits them a couple times and then moves on to another target. He is a total ADHD fighter. The only reason Superman died was because he lacked the ability to get stronger the longer the fight drags on like the Hulk does. More than likely Doomsday would hit Hulk a few times and rather than sticking around to finish Hulk off, he would move on to his next victim. Hulk would get angrier, stronger and then re-engage. The writers intent for Doomsday is abundantly clear. He can evolve and adapt, but he isn't invincible. If he is killed one way it will take something more powerful to kill him again. Hulk has destroyed more indestructible objects than Doomsday has, Hulk has survived more catastrophic damage than Doomsday has. Hulk has tanked planet busting attacks, something Doomsday has never even encountered.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk has also been incapable of beating Thor in like 15 slugfests despite being totally angry except LTBB. Thor doesn't get stronger either, that's a better comparison than destroying inanimate objects. Otherwise Doomsday has beaten a planetful of beings each of who can create UNIVERSES. Universe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>....................Planets. Don't you agree?

Thor has a magical hammer and exceptional skill. Thor also never danced with WB hulk so it is a moot point.

Hulk's greatest showings are simply beyond DD's according to the writers themselves.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Way to expand the page with your ridiculousness.

Thor has a magical hammer and exceptional skill. Thor also never danced with WB hulk so it is a moot point.

Hulk's greatest showings are simply beyond DD's according to the writers themselves.

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Beating up New God fodder is more impressive then World Breaker because they can create Universes. Smh. Even in that scenario, things scale up when arriving at the Fourth World, rendering it moot.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just wanted to say, Doomsday survived being hit by an attack so powerful, it tore a hole in space:

Knocked him out, sure.....but you can bet he will survive the next attack of that type.

Always impressed with that feat! 👆

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Beating up New God fodder is more impressive then World Breaker because they can create Universes. Smh. Even in that scenario, things scale up when arriving at the Fourth World, rendering it moot.

What does SMH mean? I've heard that a few times on these boards... 😕