Writer's Intent: Hulk vs Doomsday

I must say- I really like this Thread.

It cuts right past the limitations of high/lowball showings and shoots to the heart of imagination and intent. The stuff that drew us in when were kids. The ole', "Wow- just how strong can that thing get?" - I miss that raw wonderment at times.

Add that this Thread makes is relatively easy to discern which members on the boards enjoy philosophical discussion, and by contrast, which members seek to end such discussion (via trolling) when their favorite character is threatened. 😛

The Voting Poll has lingered right around a 10% swing. A rough Draw with a bit of give or take. Seems about right.

I would really look forward to a Marvel/DC Cross Over using these two characters.
I would wait about 5 years and then let Pak write it. He is vested in both Superman and Hulk now. I think he could write an amazing smash-mouth over the top battle between Hulk and one of Superman's most notorious Rogues.

Give Pak another 5 years or so writing Superman; Pak could also become the next person that I would consider qualified to write a good Superman vs. Hulk battle.

(Roger Stern was about the only other writer who I truly respected the views of in a Hulk/Supes crossover. Based primarily on the merit of time and passion vested into writing for both franchises.)

If Pak could write a modern Doomsday vs. Green Scar fight, and bring the same distanced respect to the table that Stern did in the "Superman vs. Hulk 1-Shot"; I would toss my wallet to the man behind the counter and tell him to just take out what he feels the comic is worth.

That's an exaggeration. ...but not by much. 😉

^👆

Doomsday wrecks.

The writers intent was fr Doomsday to be the ultimate form of life as explained by the creator of Doomsday

Even if somehow he found a stronger enemy, he will come back to life and defeat him.

This is of course the unaltered version of Doomsday as written by his creator.

So even if somehow Hulk were to be stronger, Doomsday is bound to win in the end. As explained in his origin in the Hunter Prey arc.

I see Doomsday defeating most versions of Hulk, Hulk will have to go into WBM to defeat Doomsday and then after that is a fight that Hulk is bound to loose because of Doomsday's writers intention.

That is the first reasoning, the second reasoning lies behind the concept of the creation of doomsday to kill the ultimate superhero. It has been touched before by others posters, but the concept of a villain powerful enough to kill the ultimate superhero will carry a lot of weight on fight between this two.

Savage Hulk is strong enough to defeat him, not for a majority but depending on the writer, he could win...WWH would beat his face in...it's just how it is and since we are using writer/comic bios, lets see what Waid thinks about Hulk.

"The madder he gets, the stronger he get which means this results is a win, REGARDLESS".

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//snapshot7_zps16e150cc.jpg.html

So going by writers intent and comic depictions, Hulk powerset is destined to give him the advantage in "any battle". Gotta love writers intent.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

Originally posted by carver9

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//snapshot7_zps16e150cc.jpg.html

This isn't a ten battle match scenario it is a one fight in which the majority agrees Hulk wins.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
I'm glad you two posted those scans, because they perfectly illustrates the crux of the debate over writers intent for both characters. Both are very powerful in their own right, there is no debating that fact. And both are quite capable of becoming even more powerful than they were when the fight starts, again there is very little room for debate there as well. The difference is, and this is why I'm giving Hulk the victory, Doomsday needs to die to get stronger, Hulk does not.

The only Hulk capable of beating HP DD is the one where he can and IS WILLING to go World Breaker mode on a dime. So at their best Hulk can win. But on average DD would beat Hulk

Doomsday evolution is different than Hulks. When Hulk evolves, he grow Gills (when under water of course) or his body structure change to fit whatever changes that has happened eternally or externally. Doomsday evolves bone structures. I don't think that is something that would help him here. Does anyone have scans of Doomsday evolving minus the bones covering his ears, etc...because clones have died from being physically beat to death and HP was bleeding from the mouth when Superman punched him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't a ten battle match scenario it is a one fight in which the majority agrees Hulk wins.

Originally posted by Boss16
majority of people think goku can beat up superman that doesn't make it true.

Why wouldn't it.? Isn't that how it works?

Originally posted by Boss16
majority of people think goku can beat up superman that doesn't make it true.

Originally posted by carver9
Doomsday evolution is different than Hulks. When Hulk evolves, he grow Gills (when under water of course) or his body structure change to fit whatever changes that has happened eternally or externally. Doomsday evolves bone structures. I don't think that is something that would help him here. Does anyone have scans of Doomsday evolving minus the bones covering his ears, etc...because clones have died from being physically beat to death and HP was bleeding from the mouth when Superman punched him.

Well DD would beat any Hulk besides world breaker.
He's faster, stronger, more durable, and has cutting and stabbing extensions.
Evolving isn't necessary. Plus by writer's intent DD can adapt to BEAT any opponent. That means his ability to adapt is not limited to changing his bone structure. He was shown to adapt to radiant energy, wave riders powers, and the omega beams.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well DD would beat any Hulk besides world breaker.
He's faster, stronger, more durable, and has cutting and stabbing extensions.
Evolving isn't necessary. Plus by writer's intent DD can adapt to BEAT any opponent. That means his ability to adapt is not limited to changing his bone structure. He was shown to adapt to radiant energy, wave riders powers, and the omega beams.

When did he adapt to Wavewider energy? When did he adapt to Darkseid Omegas? Looked as if he withstood those attacks.?

That's your opinion if you think Doomsday can beat Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
When did he adapt to Wavewider energy? When did he adapt to Darkseid Omegas? Looked as if he withstood those attacks.?

That's your opinion if you think Doomsday can beat Hulk.

As far as the wave rider incident I thought it was understood that DD adapted to those energies. I have to reread it. But anyway, if DD didn't adapt then basically he can tank almost anything without having to. This makes him even harder to beat.

Originally posted by h1a8
DD withstood the initial OB attack. When DD blitzed, DS hit him with another dose with no effect.

As far as the wave rider incident I thought it was understood that DD adapted to those energies. I have to reread it. But anyway, if DD didn't adapt then basically he can tank almost anything without having to. This makes him even harder to beat.

He withstood both. IIRC...Darkseid didn't hit Doomsday again with another dose of Omegas when Doomsday snuck a turning around Darkseid from behind.

I don't remember him adapting to Waves energies...he just withstood it.
No one is saying Doomsday is weak because he isn't. Hulk isn't either. Hulk tanked a bomb that split a planet in half that was bigger than Earth. Almost forgot, Hulk was weakened when he tanked that attack.

Originally posted by h1a8
DD withstood the initial OB attack. When DD blitzed, DS hit him with another dose with no effect.

As far as the wave rider incident I thought it was understood that DD adapted to those energies. I have to reread it. But anyway, if DD didn't adapt then basically he can tank almost anything without having to. This makes him even harder to beat.

This would be an vicious battle for sure. I see this as a game of keep up lol. Hulk keeps raising the bar and Doomsday keeps matching it. I don't think Doomsday is written to be (completely) immune to physical strength beat-down because he was beaten by superman. If we go by popular belief, he should be immune to any and all physical harm but he's not, he's been shown to be hurt by physical mean post DOS arc as well. But i do believe he will adapt to the growing level of hulk's strength, he just wouldn't be able to exceed it unless Hulk ups it, which is usually the writer's intent concerning the character of hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Savage Hulk is strong enough to defeat him, not for a majority but depending on the writer, he could win...WWH would beat his face in...it's just how it is and since we are using writer/comic bios, lets see what Waid thinks about Hulk.

"The madder he gets, the stronger he get which means this results is a win, REGARDLESS".

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//snapshot7_zps16e150cc.jpg.html

So going by writers intent and comic depictions, Hulk powerset is destined to give him the advantage in "any battle". Gotta love writers intent.

This post?

This is the one of the silliest things I have ever heard from you

Lest says for a moment that You are correct, (which you are not, because MOST versions of the Hulk will get defeated by Doomsday) and that SOMEHOW HULK wins the first fight, DOOMSDAY is immortal by writers intent and is bound to come back to life AND become stronger than the force that killed him, so basically:

1.- He will comeback and cancel Hulk's dynamic strength
2.- He will comeback and develop dynamic strength .... oh wait he already has that
3.- Since He got killed the first time, he will start off at that power level required to survived the previous force that killed him, making him to start off at a base that Hulk will need to work his way up to that power level.

So in any way you want to see or try to spin this, this is a fight that Hulk is bound to loose eventually, because by writers intent Doomsday is the ultimate form of life, he has died countless times and returned is the way he was designed and is in plain English right on the scan I posted.

And that is not even touching the concept of a "destruction engine created to defeat the ultimate superhero"

There seems to be some misunderstanding about what "writer intent" actually means for a lot of people.

It isn't who the strongest is. It isn't who the most powerful is. It isn't who is the smartest, or most skilled.

It's WRITER INTENT. IE, what role the character has in the story.

If people aren't gonna get that in to their heads, then you guys seriously need to get over yourselves.