Originally posted by queeq
I agree... the characters are really great. They are to me what makes this movie new and fresh. BB8 is great and I was never sold on the Poe Dameron character in the trailers. But he is really very good!Spoiler:
Where would you rank it?
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right between the ot and the prequels. not a bad movie by any means. just a few things that hurt it imo.like the force. not sure where they were going with that.
Originally posted by -Pr-Spoiler:
right between the ot and the prequels. not a bad movie by any means. just a few things that hurt it imo.like the force. not sure where they were going with that.
Yes, well I can agree with you on that. I still have to make up my mind actually. But so far we're basically in agreement. 😉
Oh, please do check out the TFA discussion thread in the SW section.
Regarding the Lighsaber Duel
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Contrary to the other two here I actually thought the Lightsaber fight was fantastic. It was exactly what I wanted after the insane, over the top, gymnastic-like duels in the PT. It seemed like a realistic fight rather than a choreography put on to look the most flashy.As for Rey ultimately overtaking Kylo Ren, I also think that makes sense. I never really liked the idea of Jedi being unstoppable forces, and I really appreciated how The Force Awakens went back to a more reasonable power level (in parts, some of the force aspects seemed extremely powerful, I guess we'll see how it goes). At any rate, I think Jedi should be more in the vein of a James Bond with slight magical abilities, rather than a full blown Gandalf, as the PT sort of made them, and definitely the cartoons.
Kylo being wounded, perhaps very much so, and already having gone up against Finn beforehand should also give Rey a huge advantage.
It's not like Rey or Finn are novices at fighting, either. Finn is a highly trained storm trooper (potentially also partly trained in close quarter weapons combat, as the other Stormtrooper had a weapon of that kind). And Rey is very adept in staff fighting (which she also seems to incorporate in her style of saber fighting), as well as potentially even more powerful thank Kylo in the force, she definitely has amazing reflexes which should help with duelling a lot.
And Kylo Ren likely didn't do a ridiculous amount of lightsaber training himself. a) there are no Jedi to duel so why really bother b) he apparently only started later in his life to train with Luke as well, so he probably wasn't trained in swordsmanship from a young age.
So on the whole, I was extremely happy with the direction of the duel, and I hope they keep it up. Obviously it can become a bit more skilled and perhaps flashy in some ways, but I do not want to go back to Yoda v. Dooku....that was a pile of garbage of epic proportions.
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Well, here's where I don't agree with you. In a way, what you say makes sense. But if you look at the OT, where the rules of this universe and the Force were set, this kinda thing just look a little incredible.It comes down to two things: skill with the lightsaber and skill in using the Force.
Your assumption that Kylo didn't have much training is highly questionable, at least. The movie tells us he trained with Luke along with a number of others until he destroyed the new Jedi order. I'm pretty sure Luke had them training with the sabre, the weapon of a Jedi Knight. At least, that's an assumption that makes more sense than Kylo not having practised much.
The other is skill with the Force. Kylo was trained both by Luke and Snoke. So he should be a lot more advanced. I'd have preferred the earthquake to come between Kylo and Rey before he slaughtered her. At least then, for protection she has reason to go into training. Now, she can already beat the universe's new Darth Vader. To me, not a strong point.
You make a good point about her being able to fight with a stick. But still... the whole idea that a Jedi can see a blow coming (see things before they happen) and lightsaber fighting therefore is a skill by itself is not directly countered by skill in stick fighting.
Other than that, the fight itself was great in choreography. It was no longer the emotionless ballet and twirling stuff from the PT but an actual fight, with both skill and grit.
Originally posted by playa1258
Pretty obvious the complainers are going to be very vocal about it.
They'll always be haters of new movies in a franchise. Because everyone has very different standards with what they want in their sequels/prequels, and Lucasfilm obviously can't meet everyone's expectations.
And yes the Haters will always be louder than the Lovers. That's just the way it is.
I think that's what everyone has to remember going in. That it's still just a movie. Don't expect some Life changing event. The Original Star Wars was a very unique experience in that regard, but then the Original Star Wars didn't have insane expectations attached to it either.
I remember Mark Hamill saying something like that about a year ago as well. That "hey guys remember it's just a movie, so just calm down with what you want/expect."
I will reply to the lightsaber discussion in the Star Wars forum thread with spoilers: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f38/t620904.html
Originally posted by Darth ThorYou aren't that passionate of a fan tbh. Your comments seal the deal. It's just a film. Hahahahahaha.
They'll always be haters of new movies in a franchise. Because everyone has very different standards with what they want in their sequels/prequels, and Lucasfilm obviously can't meet everyone's expectations.And yes the Haters will always be louder than the Lovers. That's just the way it is.
I think that's what everyone has to remember going in. That it's still just a movie. Don't expect some Life changing event. The Original Star Wars was a very unique experience in that regard, but then the Original Star Wars didn't have insane expectations attached to it either.
I remember Mark Hamill saying something like that about a year ago as well. That "hey guys remember it's just a movie, so just calm down with what you want/expect."