Star Wars: The Force Awakens

As usual I have no idea what you're talking about.

But I do know almost every time I'm in a debate with someone you come in attacking me, so it's pretty funny you accusing me of being "aggressive."

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That I actually thought was a cool fight

Mmmmh... You're actually right. Now I want

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nameless melee Trooper

Originally posted by Bentley
Mmmmh... You're actually right. Now I want

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nameless melee Trooper

back into the franchise.

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Finn should have won that fight to further set up his confrontation with albeit an injured Kylo Ren.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Make up all the excuses you want. But figures don't lie. Biggest OW of all time means financially speaking the Franchise has not been damaged one bit by the Prequels. WOM hardly makes a difference for an OW that was so heavily pre-booked.

1) The trailers were awesome
2) It was J.J. Abrams and not Lucas; so, the prequel taint was gone
3) Intrique around the continuation of the story from the OT
4) Original cast

Those are a few. But yah, people were hungry for non-prequel Star Wars.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
WoM is a big deal. And the reason it was so pre-booked is because of several reasons:

1) The trailers were awesome
2) It was J.J. Abrams and not Lucas; so, the prequel taint was gone
3) Intrique around the continuation of the story from the OT
4) Original cast

Those are a few. But yah, people were hungry for non-prequel Star Wars.

There was hardly any time for WOM. That will come into play next.

Or maybe people were just hungry for a New Star Wars movie.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
There was hardly any time for WOM. That will come into play next.

Or maybe people were just hungry for a New Star Wars movie.

^ That's fine if that's your opinion on them. I've heard that criticism from many people, but you should know that going into them tbh.

My problem with TFA is it wasn't an Original plot, but instead revamped the plot from ANH.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ That's fine if that's your opinion on them. I've heard that criticism from many people, but you should know that going into them tbh.

My problem with TFA is it wasn't an Original plot, but instead revamped the plot from ANH.

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Starkiller base was stupid, one of my only gripes

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
It wasn't really original in some regards, I'll give you that. But the characters they introduced and the implications of said characters going forward leaves much to be determined. I agree the

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Starkiller base was stupid, one of my only gripes

But other than that it was terrific.

Watched it again today. In 2D Dolby Cinema (after first watching it in 3D IMAX). And I gotta say, it's great fun, this movie. 2D is better than 3D.

Many of the little problems I had kinda evaporated on a second viewing, just because it's pacing is great. It looks cool... The only bit of a problem I have is

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the ease of the destruction of Starkiller Base and that we don't really get how hard the aerial battle is supposed be, it looks like a piece of cake

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
It wasn't really original in some regards, I'll give you that. But the characters they introduced and the implications of said characters going forward leaves much to be determined. I agree the

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Starkiller base was stupid, one of my only gripes

But other than that it was terrific.

I liked the new characters, and their interactions and dialogue. And I loved BB8 and the first time we see

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the Millenium Falcon and that whole action sequence of it escaping Jakku was Frigging Awesome.

My other issues:

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They basically forced a Saber duel against Ren into the film, even though there was no one trained to fight him. Just for the sake of having a Saber duel with the big bad. Also didn't like Ren in general. He's definitely the least interesting and intimidating villain in SW for me.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

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They basically forced a Saber duel against Ren into the film, even though there was no one trained to fight him. Just for the sake of having a Saber duel with the big bad. Also didn't like Ren in general. He's definitely the least interesting and intimidating villain in SW for me.

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Ren is a FLAWED villain only makes him more interesting. Adam Driver's performance was great. It was the type of performance that we SHOULD have got from Hayden Christenson; but didn't. Kylo Ren isn't all powerful...and that's okay. He was severely head-fkd when he was fighting them at the end....and severely injured as well. He underestimated Rey, and that's why he lost. I'm completely and utterly okay with it. And as a villain goes, he's the best since Darth Maul imo, though for different reasons.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How did you feel about General Hux ?

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He's basically a Nazi...but I liked the fact that he and Ren didn't like or respect each other. It made for an interesting development within the First Order itself. 2 power hungry wannabes trying to make a name for themselves on their rise to power. I didn't need Hux to be some deep character...Kylo made up for it.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
I completely disagree. The fact that

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Ren is a FLAWED villain only makes him more interesting. Adam Driver's performance was great. It was the type of performance that we SHOULD have got from Hayden Christenson; but didn't. Kylo Ren isn't all powerful...and that's okay. He was severely head-fkd when he was fighting them at the end....and severely injured as well. He underestimated Rey, and that's why he lost. I'm completely and utterly okay with it. And as a villain goes, he's the best since Darth Maul imo, though for different reasons.

In the sequel the Lightsaber duel will be far more choreographed showing off superior skill than this primal battle. If you watched the evolution of the Lightsaber duel Abrams states this is exactly what he went for.

Screen Junkies said it really well "Kylo Ren is the Anakin Skywalker we deserved"

Originally posted by quanchi112
This is spot on IMO. Battleboarders really want more from the villain and any vulnerability sits in their gut and burns.

In the sequel the Lightsaber duel will be far more choreographed showing off superior skill than this primal battle. If you watched the evolution of the Lightsaber duel Abrams states this is exactly what he went for.

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I sincerely hope we're done with all that ridiculous twirling and dancing and swinging and surfing and ballet weirdness. The sterile fighting where everyone is neatly doing all the steps they learned. This was a real fight: gritty and dirty. More of that please.

Originally posted by queeq

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I sincerely hope we're done with all that ridiculous twirling and dancing and swinging and surfing and ballet weirdness. The sterile fighting where everyone is neatly doing all the steps they learned. This was a real fight: gritty and dirty. More of that please.

While I dont completely disagree with this, Its like saying "when i watch an action movie, I dont want to see fighters trained in martial arts fighting in that manner. I want to see a messy street brawl instead." Even if the people fighting are secret agents or trained X- navy seals.

Oh but Kylo doesn't look untrained at all. Of course they can be well choreographed in the sense that it looks like a real fight. With skill and everything. But I like some emotion in my fights, and twirling and dancing makes it look like a game, not a fight. And with lightsabers it's usually a fight to te death. I want to feel that. The PT's fights are extremely well choreographed, but it was soulless... Apart from skill, I wanna see the grit.

Originally posted by queeq
Oh but Kylo doesn't look untrained at all. Of course they can be well choreographed in the sense that it looks like a real fight. With skill and everything. But I like some emotion in my fights, and twirling and dancing makes it look like a game, not a fight. And with lightsabers it's usually a fight to te death. I want to feel that. The PT's fights are extremely well choreographed, but it was soulless... Apart from skill, I wanna see the grit.

I agree.

I just feel that in the PT. Jedi were arrogant. They basically got hard every-time they tested their saber skills with someone. Anakin was always eager to duel with someone. So was Obi-Wan. Lines like "Sith lords are our specialty", or him having the time of his life when he fights Grievous. Even Dooku was really arrogant with his swordmanship.
So my point is that seemed like it was a joy to them to test their saber skills with someone even if it was to the death. They werent (mostly) emotionally invested fights, they were doing their duty.

Also it could be that some people want fights like to resemble "Middle Ages sword fights", others dont mind something like "Shaolin, crouching tiger hidden dragon type sword fights". I just find it that a Jedi with enhanced reflexes, agility, speed etc, doesnt really make sense to fight methodically and lumbering like if they are wielding a broadsword.
I guess there could be a middle ground. *shrug*

Originally posted by queeq

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I sincerely hope we're done with all that ridiculous twirling and dancing and swinging and surfing and ballet weirdness. The sterile fighting where everyone is neatly doing all the steps they learned. This was a real fight: gritty and dirty. More of that please.