I think I was just underwhelmed. But I didn't have high expectations ever since they announced this anyway. Count me in the camp that didn't care for it.
Just seemed like a ripoff of ANH with OT characters brought back to please the old crowd while trying to appeal to a new audience.
I liked how Abrams handled Star Trek FAR more.
And Kylo Ren was up and down for me. He showed potential but I think it went down after he took his mask off. Just wasn't feeling the emo baddie vibe. Lightsaber battle was pretty wack too.
Reboots are hit-or-miss and this was a miss for me. Jurassic World nailed it. Star Trek murdered it. Star Wars was meh....
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lucas didn't add a line to the OT explaining it.
Once again, my point isn't that it was a contradiction—because it's not—my point is that it's bad writing.
of all the plot holes and unexplained stuff, why fixate on this? the first order is NOT the empire. the empire controlled most of the galaxy, including the planet which supplied the clones, and were defeated/replaced by the republic in RotJ. Therefore the first order doent have the sweeping territory/influence that the empire had. so they made due without clones. do we need to be led by the hand and have that explained? especially since it has no significance to the current story?
Originally posted by AstnerWhen I mean roles I meant pilots. Which were clones in the clone wars as seen in rots
Those positions were never held by clones. The Storm Troopers replaced the Droid army.All Storm Troopers seemed equally tall as far as I recall, and their voices were added on later through a noise filter making their voices indistinguishable.
This is actually a valid point, but it may well have been due to plot induced stupidity; or maybe George Lucas hadn't thought of the clones at that point.
Either way it was established in the Attack of the Clones that the clone army made regular recruits obsolete so the idea that the Empire or the First Order would stop using clones requires an explanation; and since it wasn't provided, it's bad writing.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
What Cheery Picks? The OT soldiers were not clones. That's been explained so many times in Canon. The evidence in the movies is their voices as we never saw their faces.
that only suggests (dubiously) that the troopers in the OT were not clones of jango. does not mean they were not clones.
Originally posted by Astner
I'll just put it like this: I didn't know that the Storm Troopers weren't clones coming into this movie.
just curious: how did this compromise the story/plot/character developement for you? after all you called it "bad writing".
i only ask because that's a strong appraisal and i can't think of a single reason this has bearing on anything significant in the sequel trilogy or even the original trilogy.
i admit that i'm biased here since i found episode 2 to be a POS, and the clones to be the most boring and insignificant plot revelation in any film, ever.
Got to see this for a second time now and while these may be nitpicks I still feel the need to address them.
Spoiler:
I may have missed something but isn't it once again Leia's fault that the Empire/First Order were able to find out which system the Rebel/Resistance were in? Also there's the issue of being able to retrieve Luke/Anakin's lightsaber: shouldn't that be pretty much impossible. Also exactly what activated R2 and how would it know at what time to activate. Furthermore I still think its silly that Rey is just as good if not better at using the force than Luke(pre-Yoda training)
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
that only suggests (dubiously) that the troopers in the OT were not clones of jango. does not mean they were not clones.
True, but there's that plus Lucas and Disney confirming that in other mediums.
Originally posted by Astner
I'll just put it like this: I didn't know that the Storm Troopers weren't clones coming into this movie.
Fair enough. And I completely understand the confusion. Because it's one many people in the general audience will have as well. Which is why they had the line in TFA to clear that up. And probably also to suggest it is something the First Order has considered going back to.
Originally posted by ares834
So after crushing the previous OW record with nearly 248 M, TFA made over 40 M on Monday which is nearly 13 million more than the previous Monday record. Insane!
And it had the biggest ever OW worldwide without opening in China!
There will be a small drop off in the 2nd weekend, because there's still loads of people who haven't seen it. They were probably put off by it being overcrowded this weekend.
With these kind of opening numbers it should gross the predicted $2Billion WW. But I personally don't think it will have the legs to catch up to Avatar.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
And it had the biggest ever OW worldwide without opening in China!There will be a small drop off in the 2nd weekend, because there's still loads of people who haven't seen it. They were probably put off by it being overcrowded this weekend.
With these kind of opening numbers it should gross the predicted $2Billion WW. But I personally don't think it will have the legs to catch up to Avatar.
thats amazing since i learned from stephen colbert that the OT was banned in china when it hit theaters. so they managed that without the almost 40-year legacy fanhype.
^ Yeah saw that on Colbert.
Originally posted by ares834
It'll be very tough WW; it'll need to break out in China. Domestically, though, I think Avatar is toast.
Yeah Avatar made $2Bill just internationally. Back in 2009. That was kind of Insane.
I'm guessing it will make around Titanic numbers WW.
All depends on how strong it's legs are after the first 2 weeks. But with this kind of opening, $2Bill WW shouldn't be too difficult.
OT stormtroopers aren't clones. You have these guys discussing new stuff that comes out when OB1 is turning off the tractor beam. Nobody heard the difference in the voice of Luke and Han as stormtroopers.
And check out the Rebels series: we see clones that are very old. And that kid from rebels even goes to an Imperial training school for soldiers. Those kids weren't clones. And since Rebels is certified canon now, we can be pretty sure the OT Stormtroopers aren't clones.