Originally posted by queeq
[...]And since Rebels is certified canon now[...]
oh god that's awful. i was hoping disney would abandon that new tradition in bad story-telling. "oh the reason you dont understand this aspect of the movie is because you have to watch this cartoon." remember the good old days when a film and the consistency of it's story was judged on it's own merits?
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
oh god that's awful. i was hoping disney would abandon that new tradition in bad story-telling. "oh the reason you dont understand this aspect of the movie is because you have to watch this cartoon." remember the good old days when a film was judged on it's own merits?
To be fair though it's one of those issues that's come from making the PT after the OT.
And like I said Boba Fett's voice was changed but not the Troopers. And like queeq said no one thought it odd that Han and Luke were different heights and had different voices in their Trooper helmets.
But it was just something that perhaps needed confirming elsewhere. And TFA did the right thing confirming it in this movie.
Yeah, well, that's how it works.
But you know, the OT Stormtroopers were never considered to be clones. That whole clone idea George only came up with while making the PT. In a Galactic Empire, comparable to the Nazi's, clones are totally unnecessary. Nazi Germany didn't have clones, they had troops that were recruited. There's absolutely no need to think the OT Stormtroopers HAVE to be clones.
There's also a problem with them: it costs money to make them, they age rapidly so they don't last very long. Recruiting from this vast Empire makes a lot more sense. The Romand did it, Napoleon did it, the Nazi's did it, so I am sure Palpy could do it.
The whole idea that people insist on the OT Stormtroopers are clones is nonsensical. The Clones were made for a specific time and age.
OT Stormtroopers that have small talk about new stuff that comes out, Han and Luke not being mistaken for non-clones. Voices that weren't changed unlike Boba Fett... nope... there is NO reason at ALL to assume to the OT Stormtroopers are clones.
Rebels is just another confirmation.
And err... it's not like it's some vital plot point that you're missing BTW. 😉
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Got to see this for a second time now and while these may be nitpicks I still feel the need to address them.Spoiler:
I may have missed something but isn't it once again Leia's fault that the Empire/First Order were able to find out which system the Rebel/Resistance were in? Also there's the issue of being able to retrieve Luke/Anakin's lightsaber: shouldn't that be pretty much impossible. Also exactly what activated R2 and how would it know at what time to activate. Furthermore I still think its silly that Rey is just as good if not better at using the force than Luke(pre-Yoda training)
Spoiler:
1) Well, who knows. I doubt that the republic is completely destroyed. Just took a huge hit. We won't know for sure until Ep. 8
2)Not really. It's more likely than them having an IN TACT Darth Vader helmet.
3) The Force, most likely. It was "Time" for Luke to be found imo.
4) Why? Because she's a girl? As I said earlier, she might go on to be more powerful than Luke or any other Jedi. Time will tell.
the recovery of luke's saber is hardly so improbable as people make it out to be.
*ring ring* "hey lando, it's luke. i was wondering if you could have your guys scour the vents and try to find my old lightsaber...NO, i dont want my hand back if you find it, that's gross. ok thanks bruh. nice talkin to you" *click*
Tis the season:
Originally posted by CPT Space BombSpoiler:
1) Well, who knows. I doubt that the republic is completely destroyed. Just took a huge hit. We won't know for sure until Ep. 8
2)Not really. It's more likely than them having an IN TACT Darth Vader helmet.
3) The Force, most likely. It was "Time" for Luke to be found imo.
4) Why? Because she's a girl? As I said earlier, she might go on to be more powerful than Luke or any other Jedi. Time will tell.
Spoiler:
1. Although the First Order knew where BB-8 was after Jakku, they didn't know exactly which system the Resistance was until Leia showed up.
2. I will concede to this one, though I find it odd that it was found where it was.
3. That's oddly convenient of the Force.
4. Unlike Luke who at least got a introduction to the force from Obi-Wan, Rey had nothing to go on and suddenly she's able to fight off an otherwise capable force user who's had training.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaAs I stated before. SOMEONE had to be the very first Jedi/Sith. That person would have learned everything by themselves (technically it would be The Force through them)...Spoiler:
4. Unlike Luke who at least got a introduction to the force from Obi-Wan, Rey had nothing to go on and suddenly she's able to fight off an otherwise capable force user who's had training.
That being said, I don't even think that's the case. I think that Rey has had prior training but just doesn't remember it yet. Either that or she is just an uber powerful force wielder..... Either way I'm definitely going to enjoy the speculation until Episode 8.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
just curious: how did this compromise the story/plot/character developement for you? after all you called it "bad writing".
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i only ask because that's a strong appraisal and i can't think of a single reason this has bearing on anything significant in the sequel trilogy or even the original trilogy.
As for the movies themselves regular recruits takes away from the tension. After all these are people that can be threatened and convinced to act outside of the First Order's best interests.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Fair enough. And I completely understand the confusion. Because it's one many people in the general audience will have as well. Which is why they had the line in TFA to clear that up. And probably also to suggest it is something the First Order has considered going back to.