Originally posted by Bashar Teg
all he did was tell and/or demonstrate to luke that these tricks could be done. that's really the extent of obiwan's 'training' of luke: getting him to believe in the force and in his own abilities. rey didnt seem to have any problem believing in both, nor any reservations about exploring it. luke was a stubborn self-doubting ass and needed ben to prod him into action.all ben did was tell him that he could use the force to do stuff. luke gets shot. ben and han argue about the notion of luck, ben puts a blast shielded helmet on his head, and tells him to operate on instinct. luke blocks 3 times. that's not a lesson. it's brief and vague advise.
we never saw luke attempt it until ESB. we never see him learn or even witness TK until the hoth snowbeast scene. point being that there's no proof that luke did not intuit telekinesis in that cave, with no instruction. unless ben instructed him further as a ghost [beyond talking to him in the death star run and only telling him once again to believe in the force and in himself.]
Nah, Ben didn't just say "you can do it". He taught him HOW to access the Force effectively. And that's just what we saw. I think it's a silly notion to assume the movie showed us Every lesson in the Force out heroes ever had.
I still feel like the notion of "training" is being completely undermined here. That was always a big part of it even in the OT. "Only a Fully trained Jedi will conquer Vader and his Emperor"- Yoda in ESB.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
we never saw luke attempt it until ESB. we never see him learn or even witness TK until the hoth snowbeast scene. point being that there's no proof that luke did not intuit telekinesis in that cave, with no instruction. unless ben instructed him further as a ghost [beyond talking to him in the death star run and only telling him once again to believe in the force and in himself.]
No-no, this is correct. Luke was never taught how to use TK but he did on Hoth, before training.
Points out that some force abilities come naturally.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No-no, this is correct. Luke was never taught how to use TK but he did on Hoth, before training.Points out that some force abilities come naturally.
What annoys me is that Rey's usage of the force is a little to good for someone who didn't even know it existed: least to our knowledge.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah, Ben didn't just say "you can do it". He taught him HOW to access the Force effectively. And that's just what we saw. I think it's a silly notion to assume the movie showed us Every lesson in the Force out heroes ever had.
no, it's silly to assert that some sort of deep training was done off screen in ANH when they clearly had no time for that.