I have a strong feeling that Rey has already received some training before the events of this film she just can not remember them. I think she may have been mind wiped or something to try and help protect her.
I mean we clearly see she has some melee skill with her staff. Her fight with Kylo was her versus a weakened and unstable Kylo.
For most of the fight between Kylo and Finn it seemed like Kylo was toying with him. As soon as Finn got even a lucky shot in Kylo quickly disarmed him.
Most of this I chcking up to injury and the general weaknesses of dark force users.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Finn held it and used it against the stormtrooper. Kylo was unhinged quite easily when things didn't go his way. We see that throughout the film. Kylo put Finn down and toyed with him until the shoulder graze then immediately cut him down.
I never got the impression that, Kylo was toying with, Rey.
I don't think, Vadars decision at the end of Jedi makes the actions through out his life any less evil. Also, there were several occasions where Vadar was about to kill, Luke. It was only by luck and happenstance that he didn't.
Finally saw it & I walked away mildly amused.
So R2 knew all along where Luke was.
What planet he was hiding on & more to the point, I'm assuming the name of that planet.
Kinda makes the whole mission of keeping BB8 safe & get him back to the base pretty redundant. If only they kept him hidden in the Falcon's cargo bay, a lot of people would still be alive. They all knew he was a wanted droid but hey let's keep him out in the open wherever we go!
And a death station that's powered by the sun...so it's only deadly 12 hours a day, pretty harmless at night. Sigh.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I never got the impression that, Kylo was toying with, Rey.I don't think, Vadars decision at the end of Jedi makes the actions through out his life any less evil. Also, there were several occasions where Vadar was about to kill, Luke. It was only by luck and happenstance that he didn't.
Kylo was toying with Finn but with Rey he talked to her and tried saying hey let me train you mid saber clash.
Vader was redeemed and I didn't say he wasn't evil I just said Kylo has already proven himself to be more evil.
Vader pleaded with him don't make me kill you but at the end of the day he couldn't. Luke redeemed him.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Surely if this movie is so great you shouldn't need to attack the Prequels in order to defend it?
I'm not. If I actually wanted to defend it I would point out why the fight doesn't feel tacked on.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Maul was hardly forced in there when his mission to get the Queen and kill the Jedi in the process, something Nute Gunray failed to do at the beginning of the movie, was built up throughout the film, and finally came into fruition in the film's Epic final battle. A battle even haters of the PT will point out as one of it's positives.
And Kylo wasn't built up through TFA (far more so then Maul ever was) which finally culminates in a final duel? Talk about hypocrisy.
But I was more hinting at the notion that Palpatine sending Maul after the Queen makes no sense. Why would he do this and risk revealing the Sith's existence when it seems the Queen making it to Coruscant is the plan? Then, after she has already made it there, why send him to Naboo?
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
So R2 knew all along where Luke was.
What planet he was hiding on & more to the point, I'm assuming the name of that planet.
That's... actually kind of a fair point. R2's a ****ing computer. "Low power mode" or no, no one at any point thought to hook his ass up to something and just rip the knowledge about Luke's location out of him?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say he wasn't evil I just said Kylo has already proven himself to be more evil.
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The way Kylo Ren reacted when the Stormtrooper said that Finn escaped with a girl, it seemed like he knew Rey. Perhaps Luke took his daughter as his Padawan as well, and the reason why Kylo killed Luke's Jedi Order was because of his jealousy towards Rey being superior to him. That's the main reason why he went to the Dark Side -- to become stronger than Rey Skywalker. When he was talking to Vader's mask, saying that he'll "finish what we've started", he was referring to the fulfillment of killing the Skywalker line, something that Vader failed to do when he refused to kill his son. He managed to kill his father. Now he needs to kill his uncle, his cousin, his mother, and everyone related to him, in order to be fully master his Dark Side powers.
My other theory is Kylo or Snoke probably killed Luke's wife. Oh, and Finn is probably Mace Windu's son. That's the only logical reason that could explain why he held up so long against Kylo Ren.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygonFinn is way to young to be Mace Windu's son.
The way Kylo Ren reacted when the Stormtrooper said that Finn escaped with a girl, it seemed like he knew Rey. Perhaps Luke took his daughter as his Padawan as well, and the reason why Kylo killed Luke's Jedi Order was because of his jealousy towards Rey being superior to him. That's the main reason why he went to the Dark Side -- to become stronger than Rey Skywalker. When he was talking to Vader's mask, saying that he'll "finish what we've started", he was referring to the fulfillment of killing the Skywalker line, something that Vader failed to do when he refused to kill his son. He managed to kill his father. Now he needs to kill his uncle, his cousin, his mother, and everyone related to him, in order to be fully master his Dark Side powers.My other theory is Kylo or Snoke probably killed Luke's wife. Oh, and Finn is probably Mace Windu's son. That's the only logical reason that could explain why he held up so long against Kylo Ren.
He'd have to be older than Luke and Leia.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
That's... actually kind of a fair point. R2's a ****ing computer. "Low power mode" or no, no one at any point thought to hook his ass up to something and just rip the knowledge about Luke's location out of him?
More to the point is why did R2 first ignore BB8 then choose to power up on their 2nd meeting revealing he knew where Luke was hiding.
I honestly thought when R2 powered up, that was the cue for Luke to walk in.
The music picked up & the camera kinda focused on the doorway behind R2.
And when you really think about it BB8's presence in the movie caused a lot of death & destruction wherever he went for no real purpose at all.