TPM did great. One was the huge anticipation, two was people being happy that there was anew SW and three people went back to see if this was really true, that SW could be something like TPM. 😉
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Why does everyone feel the need to attack the Prequels when defending this movie?
Because we should be happy we have a much better SW movie than the three made before this one. It is a time for celebration!
Originally posted by queeq
TPM did great. One was the huge anticipation, two was people being happy that there was anew SW and three people went back to see if this was really true, that SW could be something like TPM. 😉
Same arguments could be made for TFA now. There's literally no difference except TFA has critics backing it as well.
Originally posted by queeq
Because we should be happy we have a much better SW movie than the three made before this one. It is a time for celebration!
As far as I'm concerned fanboys are praising this movie in defiance of the truth that it's another shitty trilogy that will ruin the franchise.
Originally posted by Astner
How was it better? It told the story of A New Hope, with the same archetypes and the same settings. The prequels were at the very least original and expanded the setting.As far as I'm concerned fanboys are praising this movie in defiance of the truth that it's another shitty trilogy that will ruin the franchise.
the franchise was already ruined on may 19, 1999.
Originally posted by Astner
Fair enough. But this movie did nothing to resurrect it, and that's what the fanboys refuse to accept.I'm willing to debate this. Can any of you tell me of anything that this movie added to the franchise?
i don't believe it really "added" anything. then again i dont think ESB or RotJ did, either. what i mean is, there was nothing in those films that blew my mind enough to declare that this franchise just rose to a whole new level in story telling since ANH. it seems that some people (possibly yourself included) were hoping to see the franchise revolutionized. i only wanted to see the story continued with class and without tinkering with the original canon/story.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The new characters are all completely awesome.
And while the actors were mostly decent, there was no creativity to their characters or to anything else in this story.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i don't believe it really "added" anything. then again i dont think ESB or RotJ did, either.
Originally posted by Astner
What about Yoda and his philosophies? What about the AT-AT and AT-AP as well as the tactics and warfare in the Star Wars universe?
oh, you meant that kind of "add"?
in that case, TPM had even more new jedi philosophies, new ground vehicles, and a new ridiculously boring concept of warfare...or...aggressive trade dispute...? point being that TPM and AotC had tons of new elements, yet they didnt help the films very much.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
oh, you meant that kind of "add"?
in that case, TPM had even more new jedi philosophies, new ground vehicles, and a new ridiculously boring concept of warfare...or...aggressive trade dispute...?
i didnt see much in the way of creativity in ship/vehicle/character design. they just seemed to be revamping old designs. of course ep7 did the same, but those similarities took the form of upgrades and imo made more sense. the PT seemed to be all about throwing prototype versions of...well...frikin everything...prototypes of the prototypes of the prototypes. and with no meaningful context. for example, making the jedi ships into some sort of proto-tie fighter. or those horrible looking 6-legged proto-AT-ATs. it all got stale for me, and fast.
Originally posted by Astner
Fair enough. But this movie did nothing to resurrect it, and that's what the fanboys refuse to accept.I'm willing to debate this. Can any of you tell me of anything that this movie added to the franchise?
It added a chance for resurrection at least. What it added was a fun movie that made sense AS a movie. Yes, it wasn't very original, but the new characters were great. Very unlike the new characters from the PT (Anakin as a human being, Mace Windu, Padme, Jar Jar) and the way the old characters were depicted (OB1, Yoda). The only character that held up was Palpy.
Now, TFA isn't the greatest SW movie, but it did set up a great new future. But as itself it's already fun. And for a SW movie that's good enough. Something the PT was not.
Originally posted by queeq
It added a chance for resurrection at least.
Originally posted by queeq
What it added was a fun movie that made sense AS a movie.
Originally posted by Astner
That was added in Revenge of the Sith when Darth Sidious explained that Darth Plaguies could resurrect people..
I meant: a resurrection of the franchise. Ditch the whole Plagueis thing... that is past history.
Originally posted by Astner
Sure, but it wasn't anything more than that.
Star Wars never was... it's a fairy tale, not a way of life. If you want a philosophy from a space series that defines your life, become a Trekkie.
Originally posted by Astner
The Naboo Queen Royal Starship,
chrome copy of an sr-71 blackbird. perhaps the most uncreative design in the entire SW universe.
Originally posted by Astner
Naboo Starfighters,
acceptable. the only new ship design that stood out for me, though they laid on the WW2-fighter retro thing a bit thick IMO.
Originally posted by Astner
Podracers
i have no fair judgement to offer on podracers since i found the whole concept of podracing to be stupid and pointless.
Originally posted by Astner
Droid Control Ships,
mini-deathstar donut
Originally posted by Astner
Bloodfin
oh cmon bloodfin was terrible. i can almost hear them saying "nah, lets finish that design when we get back from the pub"
Originally posted by Astner
None of these were prototypes of anything that would show up in the original trilogy.
ok, now explain every ship and in AotC and RotS. 😉